Mustang beats Corvette! (Car and Driver Magazine)

CapeCruisin · 01-09-2016, 02:25 PM

Looks the the Corvette beat the Mustang in most actual performance metrics, except being "fun to drive"??

Wut!

Took a pic of the back of the magazine too, haha...makes sense now...

SpeedIsLife · 01-09-2016, 02:51 PM

Pretty much exactly what happened with the GT500 vs ZL1...the numerically lesser vehicle was declared winner due to arbitrary and subjective, non-quantitative terms like "fun","essence" and "spirit".

rontammy0 · 01-09-2016, 03:50 PM

I dont consider a the "as tested price something to consider when it come to the driving experience.....that should be in cost of ownership score.Which they don't seem to have...therefore making the Vette the winner.��

WVracer · 01-09-2016, 04:01 PM

Also sounds like the z28 vs gt350r which I feel was heavily biased by the driver, the gt350r is badass I do have to admit

ssrs2lt · 01-09-2016, 04:08 PM

I don't hate ford, it's legit BUT measuring fun for the win?? I wish I could win the lottery based on fun lol

strykerg8gt · 01-09-2016, 04:49 PM

I read that a few days ago and they have "Handling" as a subjective/qualitative not quantitative measurement. I'm not sure why since they also have "Ride" as another measurement. Looking at the numbers the Vette clearly out-handled the Mustang. I can see how they could have "Ride" as subjective but "Handling" is clearly a quantitative measurement since they have data for it from the skidpad.

It also out-braked the Mustang but apparently the 20+ feet it beat it by didn't help it in the "Brake Feel" measurement either. If you read the 2014 review of the Vette in their Lightning Lap issue they described "Steering" as being excellent yet they ripped the Vette for that in this issue. Kinda flip flopped on that one. If they had held true to their original reviews for the Vette it would have easily won this comparison.

They are constantly contradicting themselves in this magazine. I don't subscribe to it but occasionally I will read some of their arbitrary articles just to see what brand is sponsoring the magazine that month.

clashley1976 · 01-09-2016, 05:49 PM

I read that article the other day (I have a subscription)... C&D is definitely subjective and I hardly consider them to be the definitive authority on much of anything, but the photography is pretty good and my kid likes looking at "dad's car magazines." They did concede that the Corvette was a better touring car. That being said, it's a BS comparison, since the market audience for the two cars is so different.

Is it a great magazine? Nope, but it's ok to read while I'm in the shitter.

i2disturbedSS · 01-10-2016, 12:37 AM

A Win is a Win.

Didn't read the article but maybe they are saying the Corvette is more challenging to drive.

TheReaper · 01-10-2016, 10:26 AM

Maybe C&D will have a Camaro vs Ford GT comparison in the future.

SpeedIsLife · 01-10-2016, 10:27 AM

Question for you folks....

Is Car and Driver only a legitimate magazine when GM products win? I don't seem to recall anyone balking at the magazine when the 6th Gen dominated the Mustang...

Shark72 · 01-10-2016, 10:47 AM

Subjective testing = inaccurate results (Mustang win).
Performance testing = accurate results (Corvette win).

ilirg · 01-10-2016, 11:12 AM

Ford and Driver!!! J/K lol

mt3130 · 01-10-2016, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Question for you folks....

Is Car and Driver only a legitimate magazine when GM products win? I don't seem to recall anyone balking at the magazine when the 6th Gen dominated the Mustang...

It's hard to take the "performance" comparison seriously when the Mustang was awarded 5 points more than the C7 for being a cheaper car, especially when the final spread was 2 points.

Also, 0 points were given to both cars for rebates. The C7 is easily attainable at invoice, while the GT350 is exclusively available above MSRP. That doesn't seem like a push to me.

How did the GT350 get a better score for transmission than the C7? If both were automatics, the C7 is miles better. If both were manuals, then the C7 still has a better transmission. The GT350 uses the same transmission as the V6 Camaro.

The next issue is with braking. The C7 has measurably better brakes than the GT350, but they opted for "braking feel" over using actual statistics, which would prove the C7 stops better.

The problem with this comparison is that the author opted to use mostly subjective comparison items when there are objective measures available for many of the categories that were evaluated subjectively. Braking, handling, and transmission categories could all be objective, but are not.

IamR3D88 · 01-10-2016, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReaper

Maybe C&D will have a Camaro vs Ford GT comparison in the future.

ound:

And although the GT will most likely beat it in any test, the Corvette will win due to price... Lmfao

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WVracer Drives: '11 2SS/RS LS3 M6 (Sold) Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: VA Posts: 200	Also sounds like the z28 vs gt350r which I feel was heavily biased by the driver, the gt350r is badass I do have to admit __________________ 2011 IOM 2SS/RS LS3 M6- Injen CAI, TSP 1 7/8” headers, PTB, Hurst short throw, Corsa catback exhaust, 20" TSW Nurburgrings, BMR lower control arms, BMR tunnel brace, Hotchkis lowering springs. 3660lbs. Tuned by me (sold) 2010 RJT 1SS/RS LS3 M6- CAI, TSP 2” headers, TSP F-35 cam, PTB, Hurst short throw, Dronemaster catback, BMR lowering springs, Kirkey seats, 20”/18” Weld Belmonts, 3550lbs.

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ssrs2lt Drives: too many Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: oh va pa ma tx Posts: 3,046	I don't hate ford, it's legit BUT measuring fun for the win?? I wish I could win the lottery based on fun lol __________________

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clashley1976 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2LT RS M6 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Albany, GA Posts: 399 View My Garage	I read that article the other day (I have a subscription)... C&D is definitely subjective and I hardly consider them to be the definitive authority on much of anything, but the photography is pretty good and my kid likes looking at "dad's car magazines." They did concede that the Corvette was a better touring car. That being said, it's a BS comparison, since the market audience for the two cars is so different. Is it a great magazine? Nope, but it's ok to read while I'm in the shitter. __________________ -Cameron Lashley Albany, GA 2011 Camaro 2LT/RS 3.6L M6 Summit White w/silver rally stripes CAI intake, VTC, VMax PTB, VMax Iceolator, Apex intake scoop, Roto-Fab washer bottle relocate Build Journal: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419992 .

01-10-2016, 12:37 AM	#8
i2disturbedSS Drives: 2010 SS L99 IOM Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: CA Posts: 1,924	A Win is a Win. Didn't read the article but maybe they are saying the Corvette is more challenging to drive. __________________ 369rwhp/392rwtq "Spending money I don't have, to buy parts I don't need, to impress people I don't know!" -Jenkins

01-09-2016, 02:51 PM	#2
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Pretty much exactly what happened with the GT500 vs ZL1...the numerically lesser vehicle was declared winner due to arbitrary and subjective, non-quantitative terms like "fun","essence" and "spirit".

01-09-2016, 03:50 PM	#3
rontammy0 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 2SS/ RS INFERNO ORANGE L99 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Alliston Ontario Canada Posts: 9,057 View My Garage	I dont consider a the "as tested price something to consider when it come to the driving experience.....that should be in cost of ownership score.Which they don't seem to have...therefore making the Vette the winner.��

01-09-2016, 04:49 PM	#6
strykerg8gt Drives: 2009 Pontiac G8 GT Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Burlington, NJ Posts: 379	I read that a few days ago and they have "Handling" as a subjective/qualitative not quantitative measurement. I'm not sure why since they also have "Ride" as another measurement. Looking at the numbers the Vette clearly out-handled the Mustang. I can see how they could have "Ride" as subjective but "Handling" is clearly a quantitative measurement since they have data for it from the skidpad. It also out-braked the Mustang but apparently the 20+ feet it beat it by didn't help it in the "Brake Feel" measurement either. If you read the 2014 review of the Vette in their Lightning Lap issue they described "Steering" as being excellent yet they ripped the Vette for that in this issue. Kinda flip flopped on that one. If they had held true to their original reviews for the Vette it would have easily won this comparison. They are constantly contradicting themselves in this magazine. I don't subscribe to it but occasionally I will read some of their arbitrary articles just to see what brand is sponsoring the magazine that month.

01-10-2016, 10:26 AM	#9
TheReaper Drives: 2018 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mobile Al Posts: 750	Maybe C&D will have a Camaro vs Ford GT comparison in the future. __________________ 2018 GT 10R80-355

01-10-2016, 10:27 AM	#10
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Question for you folks.... Is Car and Driver only a legitimate magazine when GM products win? I don't seem to recall anyone balking at the magazine when the 6th Gen dominated the Mustang...

01-10-2016, 10:47 AM	#11
Shark72 Drives: '16 Z06/Z07, '15 Z/28,1972 Stingray Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 837	Subjective testing = inaccurate results (Mustang win). Performance testing = accurate results (Corvette win). __________________ 2015 Z/28 #642 Black Bad Ass

01-10-2016, 11:12 AM	#12
ilirg Drives: 2011 Camaro 2ss Join Date: May 2013 Location: nj Posts: 1,559	Ford and Driver!!! J/K lol

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