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Old 06-23-2014, 12:04 PM   #43
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The chasis they are using already exists (Alpha) and already accepts those engines. No added cost that hasn't already been spent.
That's not true at all. You have millions in R&D dollars per platform. You have to engineer an entire new driveline. It doesn't matter that the chassis already exists and accepts those engines. You have a totally different configuration and everything has to be custom-sized and mounted. You're also going to need to design and tune a whole different suspension setup. Then there is the liability of adding a 4 cylinder to a line of carbs that have never had a 4 cylinder motor. The V6's and V8's are known sellers, and the I-4's will have to be subsidized through then. Expect the V6 and V8 costs to increase in order to pay for the I-4's debut.

The cheapest way to make the Camaro is to make one car with no options. Want a cheap Camaro? Every single Camaro is a black 2SS with a manual transmission. Prices would fall, or GM could sell them for the same price but at a much higher margin. This is why Ford initially only made black cars - just the availability of the options costs money because you have all that R&D into something that may or may not even sell.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:08 PM   #44
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only expecting the price of the 6th gen to go up from the normal inflation. They won't price out of the mustang price range. Unless they increase power and decrease size, in a large way. also, unless of course mustang increases their mustangs due to their turbo 4. lol
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:11 PM   #45
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The 15 mustang is not that much lighter than the 14. I would expect the camaro at 3600-3700 in all honesty.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:15 PM   #46
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The 15 mustang is not that much lighter than the 14. I would expect the camaro at 3600-3700 in all honesty.
the 15 mustang is heavier than the 14...
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:30 PM   #47
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I bet that turbo 4cylinder would be a beast it will come with at least 320hp before bolt ons a tuned but hey what do I no lol
Fear teh GM Turbo quads running alcohol. GM won't do it, but a turbo 4 set up for OEM E85 would make a very nasty baby Rat starting point. 500HP would probably be bolt-on limit. Add fuel system upgrades, head bolts, and a big single can put a GM 4 past 900HP. I believe the hottest ones are well past 1200HP on methanol.

Here's a GM i4 turbo Ecotec running 6's RWD:

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Correction, at least 1500HP. Probably higher.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:51 PM   #49
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Turbo 4 cyl... In a muscle car...
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Turbo 4 cyl... In a muscle car...
Not a lot of V8's will play well with over 45psig manifold boost and >8500 rpm.

There are very few 6's that can pull it off.

That being said, I'd never buy a 4 banger in a Camaro. It doesn't mean it's not a great engine, it just means I wouldn't buy a six either. Or an automatic. Or a 'vert. Or put 20"s or larger on one. Or put any chrome on it. Or put a radio in one.

For me, it's got to be a huge NA V8 with a true MANual and a hardtop.
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Old 06-23-2014, 01:22 PM   #51
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Not a lot of V8's will play well with over 45psig manifold boost and >8500 rpm.

There are very few 6's that can pull it off.

That being said, I'd never buy a 4 banger in a Camaro. It doesn't mean it's not a great engine, it just means I wouldn't buy a six either. Or an automatic. Or a 'vert. Or put 20"s or larger on one. Or put any chrome on it. Or put a radio in one.

For me, it's got to be a huge NA V8 with a true MANual and a hardtop.
I'm with you on every point buddy.
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Old 06-23-2014, 01:58 PM   #52
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Turbo 4 cyl... In a muscle car...
The times, they are a-changin'.

The new GM is in love with 4-bangers (turbo & NA), putting them in a lot of cars that never had them before, e.g., Impalas and CTSs.

It's an industry-wide trend, with companies like Ford & BMW also moving this way.

Personally, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. A 4-cylinder anything in the current Camaro seems absurd. But the new Camaro? Well, who knows? If it's a leaner, lighter, more sports-car-than-muscle-car kind of vehicle, then maybe a turbo 4 as a base engine makes a certain amount of sense. We'll see.
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The times, they are a-changin'.

The new GM is in love with 4-bangers (turbo & NA), putting them in a lot of cars that never had them before, e.g., Impalas and CTSs.

It's an industry-wide trend, with companies like Ford & BMW also moving this way.

Personally, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. A 4-cylinder anything in the current Camaro seems absurd. But the new Camaro? Well, who knows? If it's a leaner, lighter, more sports-car-than-muscle-car kind of vehicle, then maybe a turbo 4 as a base engine makes a certain amount of sense. We'll see.
4 cyl doesn't scream Camaro. I don't want my muscle car to sound like a SS cobalt. It doesn't matter to me if it makes more HP than the v8, its not the same. I'd just call the car something else instead of Camaro.

Its kinda like the new BMW M cars going boost. Sure its faster than previous cars, but its not the same soul of the car. Atleast Camaro gets a v8 option I guess.

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Old 06-23-2014, 02:18 PM   #54
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NO 4 banger PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
i dont care if it makes 600hp. i cant fathom hearing a riceburner sound out of a muscle car. especially a camaro!!!
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Old 06-23-2014, 02:33 PM   #56
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The chasis they are using already exists (Alpha) and already accepts those engines. No added cost that hasn't already been spent.
What he's said.

I don't understand why the car makers in the US make always a big mystery about the upcoming lineup.

Car makers make money by commonizing car parts thru all platforms. Look at VW MQB or even Chrsyler. Same Engine, same transmission, steering wheel and so on.

It's known for a while the new Camaro is based on the Alpha (Caddy ATS).

Look at the ATS Specs and the Corvette Specs and you will know what will come into the new Camaro
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