[OldScoolCamaro]

....agreed, I don't want to hear about the Euro price per dollar comparison anymore to our cars and the performance VS what we get here. That's getting lame.....it worked for awhile, but it's getting old. Don't always buy into the rhetoric. The point is, we are going to have to face a price point between cylinders, MSRP, and performance whether we like it or not.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...yeah, I love Chevy, have so since the late sixties. Yes, I love Chevy high performance, that's all I ever wrenched, raced, or wrecked...my whole life. The Bowtie is getting very expensive, I understand the technology, engineering, comparisons to other markets and products. I'm a V8 Spec HP guy, and my gripe is that it's going over the head of the working class to the ubers from here on out. And we knew it was coming, and it was pretold. But that's not my history. It's the new world. And being old and accustomed to certain ways, change does not fit well, but it's understandable. And the giddy up and go is getting beyond the reach of it's base that created the market. Yes, there were super expensive exotic rides made over the ages, and everything is relative in price....I get that. But, like Walter Cronkite said....that's the way it is.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Normagene

With the Ford 2015 Mustang already producing the 2.3L/300hp(est)/300-Lb-ft(est), turbo DOHC 16 valve I-4 as an engine option, and a base (est) price of $24,000, Feb 2014 Motortrend issue, I can't imagine GM missing out on a niche in the market. Should hit dealerships what maybe as early as August this year. I'd bet GM doesn't want to miss out on what will look very attractive to the younger market share.

I'm guessing we will see final power figures for that engine at over 310HP and over 310 TQ.

As an optional engine, I doubt you'll be able to snag the ecoboost 4 at 24,000...at least not until rebates start hitting those cars are model years end. The V6 will be the cheapo option. I'm thinking you'll have to fork over another couple grand for that engine and whatever other options Ford defaults in the car with that engine.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...one thing I can say about my area for years and years is seeing young girls mostly, and some young guys, driving new Mustangs as DD's. Only until recently, with the release of the 5th gen Camaro, have I seen a similar consumer group, more guys than girls...but to a lesser degree in total car volume. But it's an uptick.

[Normagene]

Article has only Base Price: $24,000

Engines: 3.7L/305-hp/280-Lb-ft DOHC 24-valve V-6

2.3L/330 hp(est)/300-Lb-ft(est), turbo DOHC 16-valve I-4

5.0L/430-hp(est)/400-Lb-ft(est) DOHC 32-valve V-8

And here's what they say about the I-4:

"The 2.3 liter, twin-scroll, turbocharged direct-injection engine is the newest member of Ford's EcoBoost family. It promises more than 300 hp and will be the second-most-powerful engine in the 2015 Mustang lineup when the car arrives. The engine features a three-into-two intake design that will make it much more fuel-efficient than the 3.7-liter V-6. The lighter four-cylinder will also provide the best front-to-rear weight ratio, making it the most balanced."

On Sale: Fall 2014

[Doc]

People think performance is strictly the result of cylinders and horsepower but it's a new game nowadays with the advances in technology and materials. The old standards are being replaced with new options that never existed before. A car that's light with a low drag coefficient doesn't need a monster V8 to perform. In the past Detroit overcame inefficient aerodynamics with brute force because gas was cheap and they could build V8's inexpensively with lots of power and torque. But times have changed and automakers have to as well.

Sleek, aerodynamic shapes that work with the wind instead of trying to force their way through it with lots of power can provide exciting performance with smaller more efficient engines. With new materials that are lighter and stronger than anything available before, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can come up with. We just need to vote and make sure our future isn't screwed over by control-freak politicians who want to take away our ability to even drive our vehicles. They want to control everything and we just sit inside as a passenger. Blech!

["MAC"]

I hope a 4banger does make its way into the 6th gen camaro itll only help keep the v8 last longer.

[Z/284ever]

Originally Posted by "MAC"

I hope a 4banger does make its way into the 6th gen camaro itll only help keep the v8 last longer.

It will. It's been a done deal for a long time now.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I'm guessing we will see final power figures for that engine at over 310HP and over 310 TQ.

Yup!

As an optional engine, I doubt you'll be able to snag the ecoboost 4 at 24,000...at least not until rebates start hitting those cars are model years end. The V6 will be the cheapo option. I'm thinking you'll have to fork over another couple grand for that engine and whatever other options Ford defaults in the car with that engine.

Originally Posted by Normagene

Article has only Base Price: $24,000

Engines: 3.7L/305-hp/280-Lb-ft DOHC 24-valve V-6

2.3L/330 hp(est)/300-Lb-ft(est), turbo DOHC 16-valve I-4

5.0L/430-hp(est)/400-Lb-ft(est) DOHC 32-valve V-8

And here's what they say about the I-4:

"The 2.3 liter, twin-scroll, turbocharged direct-injection engine is the newest member of Ford's EcoBoost family. It promises more than 300 hp and will be the second-most-powerful engine in the 2015 Mustang lineup when the car arrives. The engine features a three-into-two intake design that will make it much more fuel-efficient than the 3.7-liter V-6. The lighter four-cylinder will also provide the best front-to-rear weight ratio, making it the most balanced."

On Sale: Fall 2014

Not true because ford said that the ecoboost would have more hp at 310 and the V6 at 300!

[Q'smuscle]

I will get a 93 Honda civic just to blow the doors off of any person that thinks that they're cool by having a 4 banger muscle car! Lmfao...

[ssrs2lt]

Haha so ridiculous.. WGAS

["MAC"]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

I will get a 93 Honda civic just to blow the doors off of any person that thinks that they're cool by having a 4 banger muscle car! Lmfao...

The turbo 4 banger mustang did 12s with tune and tire. These new 4 bangers are no joke hell the turbo Calbot SS is pretty quick. But anything can be fast with minimal weight and enough money. Lol

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by "MAC"

The turbo 4 banger mustang did 12s with tune and tire. These new 4 bangers are no joke hell the turbo Calbot SS is pretty quick. But anything can be fast with minimal weight and enough money. Lol

True! Hahaha...

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by ssrs2lt

Haha so ridiculous.. WGAS

Hahaha....