Ran an M4 this weekend at event

G6SS · 06-02-2016, 08:46 AM

Local street racing made safe event and there's a guy with an M4 who wanted to run me. 40-130 per his request and max the track allows for. I thought I would win due to the motor trend comparison but after doing some research these cars are severely underrated and are dyno'ing 420whp and running 118-121 stock 1/4 trap speeds. So we honk off and after we shut down at 130 he was up half a car length. Not sure how forum rules are about videos even though this is a sanctioned event but if you want to see it PM me.

HumanWiki · 06-02-2016, 08:51 AM

The motor trend comparison was an overall track event, not a roll race in a straight line. There's a difference there. One is power/gearing (aero if high enough speeds) only and the other is an all encompassing test of power, gearing, traction, handling, aero, alignment, etc. etc.

As long as the event was legal and a track event, I don't think mods will have an issue with it.

It's street racing on open roads that is an issue.

G6SS · 06-02-2016, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HumanWiki

The motor trend comparison was an overall track event, not a roll race in a straight line. There's a difference there. One is power/gearing (aero if high enough speeds) only and the other is an all encompassing test of power, gearing, traction, handling, aero, alignment, etc. etc.

As long as the event was legal and a track event, I don't think mods will have an issue with it.

It's street racing on open roads that is an issue.

Yep! I thought about it after and it made sense. Roll race the bmw has the slight edge. Also forgot to mention mine is an A8 and he had the DCT trans

Richard0nee · 06-02-2016, 09:31 AM

Run him again from a dig!

You have the A8, he has the DCT.. that will be interesting!

Motor Trend tested the Manual vs Manual and the SS won 68 out of 75 times against the M4.

ChefBorOzzy · 06-02-2016, 09:40 AM

Only down half a car to the M4 is a pretty good showing for the Camaro.

SuperSound · 06-02-2016, 09:58 AM

If I remember, MT said the M4 had definite problems putting down the power from a dig. A hundred or two RPM too high or too low drastically affected results. He raced you in the best situation. Also I believe the M4 is not using SAE ratings, but rather what BMW "says" it does. I've heard these may be heat-soaked ratings, so in reality the car will make noticeably more power in good conditions.

drivingagain · 06-02-2016, 01:59 PM

Race is a race if terms are agreeable. He set the terms for him to win. Sucks but next time you know his game.

Because he has a turbo car he wants to be in boost when you guys leave or he has no power. I would say start off at 0 mph and no throttle. When the hand, flag or light drops give it the hammer. This will drastically change the outcome because your v8 gets in power quick where his 3L turbo needs time to produce bigger numbers. Also why in a race course if the m4 driver ever slips and lets off the throttle he loses his boost and the Camaro will walk away.

Would like to see the video though.

1hevy_chevy · 06-02-2016, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by drivingagain

Race is a race if terms are agreeable. He set the terms for him to win. Sucks but next time you know his game.

Because he has a turbo car he wants to be in boost when you guys leave or he has no power. I would say start off at 0 mph and no throttle. When the hand, flag or light drops give it the hammer. This will drastically change the outcome because your v8 gets in power quick where his 3L turbo needs time to produce bigger numbers. Also why in a race course if the m4 driver ever slips and lets off the throttle he loses his boost and the Camaro will walk away.

Would like to see the video though.

I agree here, I didn't think about how his terms were in his favor. Call him up and run it again!

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jdasnt3 · 06-02-2016, 06:25 PM

Time to mod up a little. Just a simple tune and CAI/PTB will get you a half car lead. Always fun when it is legal. Thank you for sharing this.

Ninjac · 06-02-2016, 06:51 PM

M4's are not slow cars by any stretch. They will run well out hole and even better from a roll. A friend in our shop has one modded. If we added a driver mod, that car would be very hard to beat.

As for what Drivinagain stated, no one, exp a turbo car would give you a zero throttle race. In fact if you go to the track, you will find few people who actually come off the line at zero throttle, N/A or F/I. For a turbo car to do so would truly put it at a HUGE disadvantage. You might as well just give 1 and the hit.....it may even be more forgiving that way....

Snowblind · 06-02-2016, 07:42 PM

Thanks for sharing your story. Their isn't much for me to add because all the responses are spot on. Like it was said earlier, don't give up YOUR advantage to someone just because they ask for it.....a dig race is the bread and butter for the Camaro and it should be a "sticky" for all owners to memorize and abide by. I'm glad you had a good time and I look forward to the rematch.

P.S. turbo guys can easily ramp up the boost with higher octane and leave you choking on their dust so make sure your not out-gunned before it even starts.

jaymsu · 06-03-2016, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drivingagain

Race is a race if terms are agreeable. He set the terms for him to win. Sucks but next time you know his game.

Because he has a turbo car he wants to be in boost when you guys leave or he has no power. I would say start off at 0 mph and no throttle. When the hand, flag or light drops give it the hammer. This will drastically change the outcome because your v8 gets in power quick where his 3L turbo needs time to produce bigger numbers. Also why in a race course if the m4 driver ever slips and lets off the throttle he loses his boost and the Camaro will walk away.

Would like to see the video though.

Yeah,,,, run him again, beat him, and then share the video.

Seriously, I think it is ok to post the video since it was done on race track.

IOMike · 06-05-2016, 05:24 PM

Sanctioned events allowing ricer roll racing?

Tell him to man up and go from a dig, like a real race.

G Fo12ce · 06-05-2016, 05:37 PM

They are underrated and turbo cars do well in the top end of the power delivery. If M4's don't launch well like someone suggested and figuring in the torque of the SS it may have looked different from a launch. I'm not saying he wouldn't have still won, but I think the rolling start favored him in terms of being in boost and traction.

06-02-2016, 08:46 AM	#1
G6SS Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2016 Location: Anywhere Posts: 85	Ran an M4 this weekend at event Local street racing made safe event and there's a guy with an M4 who wanted to run me. 40-130 per his request and max the track allows for. I thought I would win due to the motor trend comparison but after doing some research these cars are severely underrated and are dyno'ing 420whp and running 118-121 stock 1/4 trap speeds. So we honk off and after we shut down at 130 he was up half a car length. Not sure how forum rules are about videos even though this is a sanctioned event but if you want to see it PM me.

06-02-2016, 09:58 AM	#6
SuperSound Drives: '17 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 5,063 View My Garage	If I remember, MT said the M4 had definite problems putting down the power from a dig. A hundred or two RPM too high or too low drastically affected results. He raced you in the best situation. Also I believe the M4 is not using SAE ratings, but rather what BMW "says" it does. I've heard these may be heat-soaked ratings, so in reality the car will make noticeably more power in good conditions. __________________ Current: '17 2SS Hyper Blue, A8, MRC, NPP Past: '99 SS Camaro A4, '73 Camaro 383 A3 "Voices in your head are not considered insider information." 3800 Status - 6/16/16 (Built!) 6000 status - 6/29/16 (Delivered!)

06-02-2016, 06:25 PM	#9
jdasnt3 Drives: 18 Silverado 1500 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 1,721	Time to mod up a little. Just a simple tune and CAI/PTB will get you a half car lead. Always fun when it is legal. Thank you for sharing this. __________________ 16 Red Hot 2SS A8: NPP, CAI Cold air, Ported TB, Fasterproms Ported intake, E85 flex, Formatto tuned. 11.80@118 with 1.92 60' (600-700 DA) on stock run flats.

06-02-2016, 07:42 PM	#11
Snowblind Drives: '16 2SS / '05 SRT10 Ram / '65 bu Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Philthy Posts: 978	Thanks for sharing your story. Their isn't much for me to add because all the responses are spot on. Like it was said earlier, don't give up YOUR advantage to someone just because they ask for it.....a dig race is the bread and butter for the Camaro and it should be a "sticky" for all owners to memorize and abide by. I'm glad you had a good time and I look forward to the rematch. P.S. turbo guys can easily ramp up the boost with higher octane and leave you choking on their dust so make sure your not out-gunned before it even starts. __________________ H/C SBE 9.80@140 powered by Texas Speed

06-05-2016, 05:37 PM	#14
G Fo12ce Drives: '16 2SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Orange County CA Posts: 699	They are underrated and turbo cars do well in the top end of the power delivery. If M4's don't launch well like someone suggested and figuring in the torque of the SS it may have looked different from a launch. I'm not saying he wouldn't have still won, but I think the rolling start favored him in terms of being in boost and traction. __________________ My Intro Post \| My Order \| My Ordering Guide TJCR2Q \| 2SS Red Hot\|Adrenaline Red\|MX0 A8\|56R Wheels\|5ZU Blade Spoiler\|NPP Exhaust\|F55 MRC\|IO6 Nav • 4/06/16 1100 Ordered (waiting for 5ZU acceptance) • 4/19/16 2000 Accepted with 5ZU • 4/23/16 3000 TPW:5/16/16 • 5/06/16 3100 • 5/13/16 3400 Broadcast Sheet • 5/24/16 3800 Vehicle Produced • 5/25/16 4B00 Bayed • 5/27/16 4300 Intermediate Delivery • 7/9/16 Delivered!

06-02-2016, 08:51 AM	#2
HumanWiki Drives: Car Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Place Posts: 3,361	The motor trend comparison was an overall track event, not a roll race in a straight line. There's a difference there. One is power/gearing (aero if high enough speeds) only and the other is an all encompassing test of power, gearing, traction, handling, aero, alignment, etc. etc. As long as the event was legal and a track event, I don't think mods will have an issue with it. It's street racing on open roads that is an issue.

06-02-2016, 09:31 AM	#4
Richard0nee Drives: 2016 SS M6, NPP Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Hawthorne, CA Posts: 1,957	Run him again from a dig! You have the A8, he has the DCT.. that will be interesting! Motor Trend tested the Manual vs Manual and the SS won 68 out of 75 times against the M4.

06-02-2016, 09:40 AM	#5
ChefBorOzzy Drives: 2016 F150 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,196	Only down half a car to the M4 is a pretty good showing for the Camaro.

06-02-2016, 01:59 PM	#7
drivingagain Drives: 2015 Tiger XCX,2016 Camaro 1SS,LBZ! Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Palm Coast, FL Posts: 1,311	Race is a race if terms are agreeable. He set the terms for him to win. Sucks but next time you know his game. Because he has a turbo car he wants to be in boost when you guys leave or he has no power. I would say start off at 0 mph and no throttle. When the hand, flag or light drops give it the hammer. This will drastically change the outcome because your v8 gets in power quick where his 3L turbo needs time to produce bigger numbers. Also why in a race course if the m4 driver ever slips and lets off the throttle he loses his boost and the Camaro will walk away. Would like to see the video though.

06-02-2016, 06:51 PM	#10
Ninjac Banned Drives: Something with FI Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Miami Posts: 27	M4's are not slow cars by any stretch. They will run well out hole and even better from a roll. A friend in our shop has one modded. If we added a driver mod, that car would be very hard to beat. As for what Drivinagain stated, no one, exp a turbo car would give you a zero throttle race. In fact if you go to the track, you will find few people who actually come off the line at zero throttle, N/A or F/I. For a turbo car to do so would truly put it at a HUGE disadvantage. You might as well just give 1 and the hit.....it may even be more forgiving that way....

06-05-2016, 05:24 PM	#13
IOMike Drives: 2022 F150, 87 Monte Carlo Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: MN Posts: 1,267	Sanctioned events allowing ricer roll racing? Tell him to man up and go from a dig, like a real race.

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