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The camaro show · 01-25-2017, 12:14 PM

is there anyway or mods that reduce the loss of hp to whp like a carbon fiber driveshaft but i belive thats just weight.

BurnedRubber · 01-25-2017, 12:46 PM

Rotational weight is where you loose horsepower. a lighter driveshaft will actually give you better numbers because the engine isn't working as hard to turn a heavy driveshaft. At least that's how it was explained to me. The more rotational mass you can loose the quicker you will be. Cut weigh in the rotating assembly before UN-sprung weight. But on a V6 I wouldn't worry too much about it, no offense but unless you plan on making huge power numbers your wasting money.

CamaroFred · 01-25-2017, 12:55 PM

Lighter wheels.

The camaro show · 01-25-2017, 01:06 PM

I'm planing on making 600whp

qcman · 01-25-2017, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The camaro show

I'm planing on making 600whp

That is at least twin turbo territory with loads of boost if even that is doable with those.....

MrChrisLS3 · 01-25-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The camaro show

I'm planing on making 600whp

If this is the case, a carbon driveshaft is very near the bottom of your shopping list.

Reaper85 · 01-25-2017, 02:01 PM

Plan on spending almost as much as your parents paid for the car.

Davidd_SS · 01-25-2017, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The camaro show

I'm planing on making 600whp

Not worth it imo. save up and get yourself an SS or ZL1 that's worth putting money into. not to be a douche but even turbo v6's are a joke not only engine work, but suspension, drivetrain work as well. you'll be into it way more than the car is worth. but to each its own

pyroguy · 01-25-2017, 02:28 PM

As stated above, rotational weight is the best way to eliminate some loss of horsepower to the wheels. Lighter harmonic balancer, lighter drive shaft(s), and lighter wheels/tires are good places to start. Then of course manual transmissions have less powertrain loss than automatics, again less to turn. If you're looking for the quickest, best bang for the buck rotational weight reduction go with wheels and a new balancer. You're thinking right with the drive shaft, but that will cost a lot of money and yield less power than reducing the other weight areas.

Gunmetal Speedster · 01-25-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

If this is the case, a carbon driveshaft is very near the bottom of your shopping list.

JantzenOKC · 01-25-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Davidd_SS

Not worth it imo. save up and get yourself an SS or ZL1 that's worth putting money into. not to be a douche but even turbo v6's are a joke not only engine work, but suspension, drivetrain work as well. you'll be into it way more than the car is worth. but to each its own

It's definitely not for everyone but I wouldn't call a turbo v6 a joke. ...and you probably wouldn't either after you ran mine.

Rock-It Man · 01-25-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BurnedRubber

Rotational weight is where you loose horsepower. a lighter driveshaft will actually give you better numbers because the engine isn't working as hard to turn a heavy driveshaft. At least that's how it was explained to me. The more rotational mass you can loose the quicker you will be. Cut weigh in the rotating assembly before UN-sprung weight. But on a V6 I wouldn't worry too much about it, no offense but unless you plan on making huge power numbers your wasting money.

Lighter wheels will have a much larger effect on rotating weight than the driveshaft.

frenchsquared · 01-25-2017, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by qcman

That is at least twin turbo territory with loads of boost if even that is doable with those.....

It is not. A simple super charger will get 600 rwhp. Twin turbos is in the 900 range and up.

Lowing rotational mass will help a very small amount with the numbers. It helps with the feel. Lighter rotational mass means the car revs up faster and takes of faster.

Lightend: Flywheel, Clutch, wheels, brakes, crankshaft, pistons and such.

600 rwhp is pretty easy in an LS with a vortech super charger, headers, fuel pump and fuel injectors. You can get to 700 with a cam on top of all that. I have a dyno sheet to prove it for anyone who wants to argue. As long as 598 rwhp counts as 600.

frenchsquared · 01-25-2017, 03:55 PM

wait... he has at V6.... and wants that power.... Dude save your money and buy a V8.

Forget everything I said. V6 are a total waste of money if you want that power. Will cost $15k or more to get to 600 rwhp on a V6 and the motor will be at its limit. For half that you can by a V8 car.

01-25-2017, 12:14 PM	#1
The camaro show Drives: 2015 camaro 2lt Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Northern West Virginia Posts: 925	drive train loss hp is there anyway or mods that reduce the loss of hp to whp like a carbon fiber driveshaft but i belive thats just weight. __________________ Cosmetic mods: SS hood with painted vent, SS bumper, acs 1le front lip black, big worm gfx tinted all lights, solar wing v2, Camaro seat belt pads and oracle color shift halos and fog light halos and rear colorshift bow tie, carbon creations carbon fiber stingray z spoiler Wheels: lexani r-3 bg finish 19x8.5 Performance: cold air inductions intake, mrt v1, jacfab ported intake manifold, intake manifold spacer, overkill tuned on E85.

01-25-2017, 12:46 PM	#2
BurnedRubber Ben Rakers Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 405 View My Garage	Rotational weight is where you loose horsepower. a lighter driveshaft will actually give you better numbers because the engine isn't working as hard to turn a heavy driveshaft. At least that's how it was explained to me. The more rotational mass you can loose the quicker you will be. Cut weigh in the rotating assembly before UN-sprung weight. But on a V6 I wouldn't worry too much about it, no offense but unless you plan on making huge power numbers your wasting money. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS K&N Blackhawk Cold air intake, Hawk Performance Ceramic pads, BAER drilled and slotted rotors, Side louver black faded inserts, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, BMR Trailing Arms, Elite Engineering Catch Can, MSD Spark Plug Wires, Texas Speed 1 7/8in Headers and cat back, High Flow Cats, 3 inch X-Pipe, Speed Dawg shift knob, Tuned by Nickey. And oh, its My first car. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_L...5jF6EQEoKDNQ2g

01-25-2017, 12:55 PM	#3
CamaroFred Drives: Miss Con Ception Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2,998	Lighter wheels. __________________ 2011 1SS/RS LS3 CGM

01-25-2017, 01:06 PM	#4
The camaro show Drives: 2015 camaro 2lt Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Northern West Virginia Posts: 925	I'm planing on making 600whp __________________ Cosmetic mods: SS hood with painted vent, SS bumper, acs 1le front lip black, big worm gfx tinted all lights, solar wing v2, Camaro seat belt pads and oracle color shift halos and fog light halos and rear colorshift bow tie, carbon creations carbon fiber stingray z spoiler Wheels: lexani r-3 bg finish 19x8.5 Performance: cold air inductions intake, mrt v1, jacfab ported intake manifold, intake manifold spacer, overkill tuned on E85.

01-25-2017, 02:28 PM	#9
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,919 View My Garage	As stated above, rotational weight is the best way to eliminate some loss of horsepower to the wheels. Lighter harmonic balancer, lighter drive shaft(s), and lighter wheels/tires are good places to start. Then of course manual transmissions have less powertrain loss than automatics, again less to turn. If you're looking for the quickest, best bang for the buck rotational weight reduction go with wheels and a new balancer. You're thinking right with the drive shaft, but that will cost a lot of money and yield less power than reducing the other weight areas. __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

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Reaper85 Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Barrie, Ontario Posts: 598	Plan on spending almost as much as your parents paid for the car.

01-25-2017, 03:55 PM	#14
frenchsquared Drives: 15 Z28, 01 Corvette, 96 Corvette Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 863	wait... he has at V6.... and wants that power.... Dude save your money and buy a V8. Forget everything I said. V6 are a total waste of money if you want that power. Will cost $15k or more to get to 600 rwhp on a V6 and the motor will be at its limit. For half that you can by a V8 car.