[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

And then you grew up and got a real car, a 2016 SS

4th gens are still great cars....bang for the buck they are hard to beat.

The 4l60e is fine...keep the heat out of it, skip shifts limited, weight down, it will hold some power. Mine only has 21k miles, it's had a 3800 stall bolted to the front of it since 2011. Heads/Cam/Intake has been on the car for 4500 miles(2.5yrs). The car traps 124-126 range and the stock 60e is still going with nothing but a manual shift kit, cooler, and tune.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

4th gens are still great cars....bang for the buck they are hard to beat.

The 4l60e is fine...keep the heat out of it, skip shifts limited, weight down, it will hold some power. Mine only has 21k miles, it's had a 3800 stall bolted to the front of it since 2011. Heads/Cam/Intake has been on the car for 4500 miles(2.5yrs). The car traps 124-126 range and the stock 60e is still going with nothing but a manual shift kit, cooler, and tune.

It's not that the 4L60E was terrible, it's that it was prone to failure stock. Mine started banging off the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd at WOT soon after being tuned. The stock cooling for it was far from what it needed, especially in hot climates and being daily driven. I added a cooler, then had it rebuilt with a Transgo kit and 3000 stall TC. Then it was pure gold.

[Risky Justice]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

It's not that the 4L60E was terrible, it's that it was prone to failure stock. Mine started banging off the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd at WOT soon after being tuned. The stock cooling for it was far from what it needed, especially in hot climates and being daily driven. I added a cooler, then had it rebuilt with a Transgo kit and 3000 stall TC. Then it was pure gold.

Mine held 414rwtq alright, but once I made 550 it decided to shit the bed. I dumped 3 quarts of Lucas no slip trans additive in and traded it in. They called me a day or two later and asked if I had ever had any issues with the transmission

To this day, I still wish I had kept that car and just done a T56 swap. Oh well. No, a 6th gen V6 is not faster than a 4th gen V8, but good luck getting a V6 owner to believe that

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

4ths gens are plagued with weak rear diffs, weak auto's, and crap suspension..

Swap -Dana S60, 4L80, and suspension = Yes.!

I prefer to not add 300lbs to the car. MWC Fab 9", RPM level 5 4L60e, and suspension = Yes.

[trophy hunter]

Ahh yes, I remember the days of owning a 4th gen.
At one point I owned a 2000 WS6 M6 (ie, one of the heavier and lower HP years) and still with only 4 passes in its entire life made a 13.0 @ 108.8 trap bone stock in Texas (91 deg evening temp).......and a 2.09 - 60'(embarrassed).
I don't run the 1/4 much, more into autocross

In short, I think that the stock V6 would be hard pressed to keep up with equal drivers.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Wasnt the LS1 in the 99 Z/28 "rated" at 315HP and the SS "rated" at 325HP?

Just like the Trans Am was 315 and the WS-6 was 325?

All the same engine, the car duct air to the filter from the chin spoiler so especially on the SS the induction was worth zero HP. Easily proved to Ed Hamberger and SLP by duct taping the scoop close on race day and showing no change in trap speed, 100% repeatable. The LS6 intake was work 5 HP. IMO the castiron exhaust manifolds did NOT flow as well as the 98-99 twin wall stainless manifold. So it was a wash. The 3" SS / WS6 exhaust had all flow ruined by 1) the head pipes to Y pipe has a massive ridge due to aggressive rotary cutting at GM, 2) the flip over the rear axle was crushed in to a heart shape at GM for "clearance" and I calculated the flow are to be 2.25" equivalent. go figure GM?

I've seen A4 do low 13s no matter the gear ratio. I've seen a handful of M6 do high 12s in good air and it did not matter z/28 to WS6. Don't think we will see that with the V6, one the car is heavier, two the LS1 has a far broader torque curve, three the GS-C were pretty good tires for the weight and HP of the LS1, 4) the mickey mouse 10 bolt and aluminum drive shaft on the 3.23 A4 uses FAR less friction vs the IRS and relatively HUGE diff / carrier.

[robert corbin]

In 1998 my son ordered and bought a new Z28. We have always kept our cars pure stock including the factory tires, and all our performance cars are manuals. We both frequently drag race in the summer months, and his Camaro was always more than competitive with the current Camaros, Firebirds, Firehawks and Mustangs. His car was always a consistant 13.40 and 13.50 car. Its best was a 13.26 on a cool night with great traction and low humidity with my 55 year old right arm "rowin" the lever. These times were at Thompson Raceway Park in N.E. Ohio at an elevation of approx 1100feet. One of his better wins was against a 345HP automatic Firehawk, in which our car won by 2 cars. As a GM retiree, I always request the car's shipping invoice from the dealer, which includes the car's build date, various levels of discount, and most important- shipping weight. His Z28 had a SHIPPING weight of 3338. CURB weight reflects a full tank of gas, so should be 60 or 70 pounds heavier. The car now has 24000 miles, is still like new and pure stock, and sits next to his '03 ZO6, and '13 427 Corvette convertible- both of which were ordered new. Three REALLY great cars!

[edjtyer]

I owned a 2001 Z28 with automatic and performance axle. Bone stock 13.5 at Kinston Drag Strip. Car was really hard to launch (lots of spin) I just traded in my 2017 V6 Camaro but I never took it to the strip. My seat of the pants tells me the V6 might be close but that the V8 would be pulling ahead every step of the way.
But I loved both of them. Now days there is 9k difference to get the V8. Is it worth it? To each his own, but I did just take delivery of a 2018 1SS with the 6 speed.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

These new 6th gen V6 Camaros are quite good.

Especially the manuals if you're comparing a 4th Gen LS1 equipped to manual transmission to a 6th gen LG X equipped manual transmission car.

I drove the LS1 for just under 10 years. I've now had the LGX for just under a year.

My 4th gen was full bolt on which I do find unfortunate for the 6th gen V6 there's really nothing out there for this car yet.

But as far as the Driving Experience goes and acceleration the LGX definitely feels like it's an LS1. I would not hesitate to say this is by far the best V6 in God's green earth.

And when you got the NPP exhaust option it even sounds ridiculously good.


One thing about the LS1 engine I know is it was absolutely Bulletproof. they lasted forever
God knows if that's going to be the case with this V6.

Moral of the story is if you're used to an LS1 equipped F body and that type of power is enough for you to V6 6th gen is enough for you as well you'll feel right at home.

[S8ER01Z]

I could see one being close.. I went 13.1 @108 stock a 2.1 60ft... 12.8 @ 110 with a lid/fra on a 2.0 60ft. Once the mods start it would be hard for the v6 to compete but the new cars are obviously a world apart in comfort, gadgets and ride quality.

[JBones81]

fwiw, my 99 z28 m6 made 333rwhp with just cutout, lid, free mods, asp pulley, and tune. Oh, and a Shaner ported throttle body

Those LS1 Cars in the late 90s/early 2000s were no joke

[Fraxum]

Wait what about the current V6es? JUst staying on topic.

I had 3 4th gens an LT1 and an LS1 Camaro Z28 and a LT1 WS6 Firebird. You could just sit in the garage sipping beers and keep looking at that black WS6 and not get bored. It also set off car alarms if I got too close to parked cars. But after a full day of shopping in it for a 5th gen LS3 I was so happy a dealer gave me $6K for The WS6 in a trade so I could get out of it and take home another one million times better Camaro, the black SS on the left below. However I am now nostalgic for the 5th gens. The current car is too perfect and a bit cramped. Time marches on.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Wait what about the current V6es? JUst staying on topic.

I didn’t know it changed 😉 we’re still talking the V6s here. 🙂

My 01 Z28 was rated 310hp / 340 trq and made 324rwhp/341rwtrq on the Dyno with just a free ram air mod. I can see where all of the confusion set in... take the advertised numbers and ignore the weight difference and the v6 should be a sure winner.

[mdhopt36]

Well, I'm tickled. Looks that I paid dirt price for this new V6, and apparently, it winds up being a good solid fun ride.
Only had it abt 6 months, but in looking at the MPG ratings, I have that beat hands down.
(Premium Shell)
This pic at the lake, we were poking around 30-50mph, and it got an astounding 37+MPG. 27-30 @ 75mph (+ at times!)
I kid you not, I checked it. All in a fun-to-drive car. 8L45 tranny, superb for an auto, IMO. First one I ever owned, so don't be too hard on me!