Ferrari Driver vs Cop - Page 3

ChrisBlair · 08-09-2012, 07:21 PM

camarostar, nobody has the right to do what that driver did.

The cop may have been dumb, but I'm interested in what law gives the driver the right to move a pedestrian out of his way with his vehicle. The circumstances leading up to that are not mitigating. he knew that his car was right there up against the cop

JohnnyBfromPeoria · 08-09-2012, 07:30 PM

I would probably get pretty ticked off if a car was on my foot, too.

My civilian sense tells me the Ferrari driver was in the wrong.

He wasn't driving away to go somewhere, he was driving away to try to get out of the ticket, otherwise his GF would have been in the car (at least I didn't see her in the car initially).

I thought the LEO acted appropriately, and I would expect to be treated as such if I did that to a LEO or anyone. Therefore, I don't do it. But...common sense ain't too common.

John B.

camarostar2010 · 08-09-2012, 07:31 PM

It seems the are varying schools of though here..and being that I "lets say know " about the nypd...and can assert that many people are rodney kings and diallo's...and the pd never get a day in jail. I will also assert that I know many people in many positions. Hence I speak from straight up experience on many levels here. An officer "can not" detain or obstruct a motor veh unless "there is probable cause of a crime" "illegal parking inst a crime...its a violation thats get adjourned thru an adminstrative law judge. Another reason that you can be pulled over is if u commit a moving violation...know as VTL...under veh traffic law. A person can be detained to verify id since they are being summoned...not the car. If u notice the car was being summoned here. Actually both these men did many things wrong. I actually can defend and condemn them both. Weird I know. But as a man who respects law. I say this...Upon being told to stop..the driver must stop. He must obey a lawful order. The cop attacked like a total teenager and broke a few rules. In the end our society is fractured. And the next few years in the US are going to be very dangerous for us all. God help us to be humble, and wise.

camarostar2010 · 08-09-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBfromPeoria

I would probably get pretty ticked off if a car was on my foot, too.

My civilian sense tells me the Ferrari driver was in the wrong.

He wasn't driving away to go somewhere, he was driving away to try to get out of the ticket, otherwise his GF would have been in the car (at least I didn't see her in the car initially).

I thought the LEO acted appropriately, and I would expect to be treated as such if I did that to a LEO or anyone. Therefore, I don't do it. But...common sense ain't too common.

John B.

Well the cop actually already had most the info...all u need is the plate. Then u call central and get the rest of the info...oh trust me,,,the ticket was coming in the mail...no excuses on that. But that wanna be tough guy unwisely played a pissing contest with a rookie to prove some thing..and here is where things get ugly ..smh

camarostar2010 · 08-09-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AGENT-006

Id like an officer to pipe in here and actually say what is or is not legal about the detainment. I dont see how he can not be detained for a reasonable amount of time..if an officer pulls u over to write you a citation for speeding..that does not mean you can casually leave and have him mail you the citation. that would make no sense. There fore i think if your vehicle is being cited for an offense and the officer asks you to stop then that is what should be done.

under vtl..u must be present and give id...once the summons is issued then you canl leave..but this isnt vtl...its a parking law situation. the rules here are a bit different

camarostar2010 · 08-09-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

camarostar, nobody has the right to do what that driver did.

The cop may have been dumb, but I'm interested in what law gives the driver the right to move a pedestrian out of his way with his vehicle. The circumstances leading up to that are not mitigating. he knew that his car was right there up against the cop

u are very right..no one should try to force a person out of the way. this however, is disputed. First the cop willfully moved in front of the car...secondly...he wasnt told to stop...until after the fact. Regretfully this young man wasn't prudent to leave the cop alone...and tried to go around him. the cop took that and ran with it. The rest as u can see didnt go well......thats why this case is very complicated...there is a gray area..and the verdict is in the public's hand now.

Vaux96 · 08-10-2012, 05:02 AM

It doesn't matter who parked the car, if it's parked illegally the owner will get the ticket. Tell it to the judge.

IMO, this situation could have been handled better by the officers. You are considered detained in a traffic stop or when being issued a citation. So the driver was not allowed to leave. And the cop was telling him this and as a way to make him stop decided to place himself in front of the vehicle. Now doing that is not wrong or illegal, but it can be dangerous. Why put yourself at risk of some idiot trying to run you over for a parking ticket? Not a good move, especially when you already have his info. So they pull him out and cuff him, ok, but then he is just laying there in the street with cars driving by next to him? You have a guy in cuffs you are responsible for his safety, put him in the squad or sit him over on the sidewalk.

VR Code R6P · 08-10-2012, 06:17 AM

All that over a parking ticket.........humans behaving badly!!

1o.f00t.570rk · 08-10-2012, 09:57 AM

The ticket wasn't for parking, it was for failing to display registration sticker in the windshield, which you can see on the SUV behind the Ferrari, and on the taxi's. The Ferrari also doesn't have a front plate, so there's two infractions right there, and where the car is parked becomes irrelevant.

If the sticker wasn't there, then it could mean the plates are bad, and the cop may not have had time to finish writing down the VIN so they had at least some concrete information on the car.

Point being that it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to come up with a decent reason for why the cop would detain the individual.

As for the rest, I think the foot under the tire is no different than a speed trap, or when a cop asks you what you think you got pulled over for. It's an invitation to break the law, and the driver took it. One could try and see if this qualifies as entrapment, but since there were two times the driver tried to advance, only the second one with the cop's foot under the tire, it would be a hard sell to say the driver wasn't already trying to get away to escape from the ticket regardless of consequences.

Would it be different if the cop had been hit by the side-view mirror instead of his foot being run over?

45thAnniversary2SS · 08-10-2012, 10:15 AM

Yea, pissing contest really. You can see his plate, send him a ticket in the mail instead of trying to stop a car with your foot...

Muscle SS · 08-10-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard442

His car was parked by valet and he was at that hotel. Why should he pay a ticket? Just because he has money he shouldn't care ? Um ok....

That doesn't make it the cops fault, the hotel should pay the ticket then, still can't run over a cop cuz the hotel is stupid

SC2150 · 08-10-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mgaspari

i think that cop kinda asked for it.. he stepped in front of the car, saw the guy was going to drive, so why would you continue to stay there and put your foot under the wheel? you have his license plate so its not like you couldnt do anythign baout it if he drove off?

Clear disrespect to the officer and he had NO right to even attempt to move the car as he was given an order to not move several times. Police have a hard enough time and take the ticket and bring it up w/the Hotel....or pay it. Bad LEO's are few and far between, but this guy was doing his job and I sure would not want it...arrogant people who think they are above laws get no respect from me.

willhe64 · 08-10-2012, 11:17 AM

Ferrari driver is a dewsh.

AZCamaroFan · 08-10-2012, 11:20 AM

yeah saw that the other day. what did he think would happen?

08-09-2012, 07:21 PM	#29
ChrisBlair Buick 455 Fan Drives: 1970 Buick, 2012 1SS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston MA Posts: 5,957	camarostar, nobody has the right to do what that driver did. The cop may have been dumb, but I'm interested in what law gives the driver the right to move a pedestrian out of his way with his vehicle. The circumstances leading up to that are not mitigating. he knew that his car was right there up against the cop __________________

08-09-2012, 07:30 PM	#30
JohnnyBfromPeoria Drives: 2012 LS M6, Black Join Date: May 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,045	I would probably get pretty ticked off if a car was on my foot, too. My civilian sense tells me the Ferrari driver was in the wrong. He wasn't driving away to go somewhere, he was driving away to try to get out of the ticket, otherwise his GF would have been in the car (at least I didn't see her in the car initially). I thought the LEO acted appropriately, and I would expect to be treated as such if I did that to a LEO or anyone. Therefore, I don't do it. But...common sense ain't too common. John B. __________________ 12 LS M6, IPF S/C, ASA GT-5 wheels, VMax PTB 1995 Mitsubishi Montero SR 1987 Dodge Raider Turbo Project 1986 Mitsubishi Montero 2.4l FI Transplant

08-10-2012, 09:57 AM	#37
1o.f00t.570rk Tall Guy Drives: '11 LS SGM, '96 BK, '88 S10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 526 View My Garage	The ticket wasn't for parking, it was for failing to display registration sticker in the windshield, which you can see on the SUV behind the Ferrari, and on the taxi's. The Ferrari also doesn't have a front plate, so there's two infractions right there, and where the car is parked becomes irrelevant. If the sticker wasn't there, then it could mean the plates are bad, and the cop may not have had time to finish writing down the VIN so they had at least some concrete information on the car. Point being that it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to come up with a decent reason for why the cop would detain the individual. As for the rest, I think the foot under the tire is no different than a speed trap, or when a cop asks you what you think you got pulled over for. It's an invitation to break the law, and the driver took it. One could try and see if this qualifies as entrapment, but since there were two times the driver tried to advance, only the second one with the cop's foot under the tire, it would be a hard sell to say the driver wasn't already trying to get away to escape from the ticket regardless of consequences. Would it be different if the cop had been hit by the side-view mirror instead of his foot being run over? __________________ Installed: Vararam Intake - ARK N-II Catback - F14 18x8.5 Rims - Window Tint - Camaro5.com Stickers - Team LLT Badge On Hand: Fesler Rear Diffuser - Stunner Dovetail Spoiler - T-Rex Upperclass Black Mesh Grille - PFADT Strut Tower Brace (Unpainted) - SEIBON TSII CF Hood - SEIBON CF OEM Trunk Lid On Order: Ported IM Future Plans: Airlift Suspension - CF Driveshaft - 9in IRS - SC FI - Brembo Brakes - more Pfadt Team LLT

08-10-2012, 10:15 AM	#38
45thAnniversary2SS Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary 2SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,812 View My Garage	Yea, pissing contest really. You can see his plate, send him a ticket in the mail instead of trying to stop a car with your foot... __________________

08-10-2012, 11:17 AM	#41
willhe64 Drives: 2012 45th Vert, 2011 4x4, 9sec Vega Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,188	Ferrari driver is a dewsh. __________________ I feel it only fair to warn you, I have a black belt in CAPS LOCK.

08-09-2012, 07:31 PM	#31
camarostar2010 Drives: 2011 SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: new jersey Posts: 379	It seems the are varying schools of though here..and being that I "lets say know " about the nypd...and can assert that many people are rodney kings and diallo's...and the pd never get a day in jail. I will also assert that I know many people in many positions. Hence I speak from straight up experience on many levels here. An officer "can not" detain or obstruct a motor veh unless "there is probable cause of a crime" "illegal parking inst a crime...its a violation thats get adjourned thru an adminstrative law judge. Another reason that you can be pulled over is if u commit a moving violation...know as VTL...under veh traffic law. A person can be detained to verify id since they are being summoned...not the car. If u notice the car was being summoned here. Actually both these men did many things wrong. I actually can defend and condemn them both. Weird I know. But as a man who respects law. I say this...Upon being told to stop..the driver must stop. He must obey a lawful order. The cop attacked like a total teenager and broke a few rules. In the end our society is fractured. And the next few years in the US are going to be very dangerous for us all. God help us to be humble, and wise.

08-10-2012, 05:02 AM	#35
Vaux96 Drives: 45th 2SS LS3, 05 Ram 1500 SLT Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States Posts: 389	It doesn't matter who parked the car, if it's parked illegally the owner will get the ticket. Tell it to the judge. IMO, this situation could have been handled better by the officers. You are considered detained in a traffic stop or when being issued a citation. So the driver was not allowed to leave. And the cop was telling him this and as a way to make him stop decided to place himself in front of the vehicle. Now doing that is not wrong or illegal, but it can be dangerous. Why put yourself at risk of some idiot trying to run you over for a parking ticket? Not a good move, especially when you already have his info. So they pull him out and cuff him, ok, but then he is just laying there in the street with cars driving by next to him? You have a guy in cuffs you are responsible for his safety, put him in the squad or sit him over on the sidewalk.

08-10-2012, 06:17 AM	#36
VR Code R6P Drives: 2011 Race Red GT500 w/ SVT Perf Pkg Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: eastern CO Posts: 578	All that over a parking ticket.........humans behaving badly!!

08-10-2012, 11:20 AM	#42
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,450	yeah saw that the other day. what did he think would happen?

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