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Old 05-23-2015, 11:35 AM   #71
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If this is only an option, I don't see any problem with that. There should be a choice for everybody.
I was surprised when I read on MT, on how the lap times improved on the Porsche Carrera S4 (that has 4WD) VS a RWD Porsche Carrera S. Now days you see 4WD sport cars everywhere Lamborguini, Nissan GTR, Porsche, Audi, etc. it's very common, most people believed that an automatic was never going to be better than a standard transmission at the track. Porsche prove the contrary the automatic PDK Porsches are faster, Ferrari, BMW, Audi, Nissan GTR, McLaren has them, and they are better, improving lap times.
Is just a matter of choice, going with the future or sticking in the past. One of the Top Lap times at Nurburgring was done by a Porsche Hybrid: Porsche 918 spider.
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Old 05-23-2015, 12:41 PM   #72
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If there's a market for it, why not?

I live in sunny california, i never have to worry about snow or ice, but i know that there are other americans across the country who do, and for them an AWD camaro would be a great buy.

So here's what i would like: options. I would like the option to pick either AWD or RWD when i buy a camaro, so people across the country who may benefit from AWD can get theirs, and people who, like me, live in snowless states/areas can enjoy a lighter and more traditional RWD pony car.

I just hope that if AWD is forced, it has an active option to redistribute the power to at least 99% to the rear...
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Old 05-23-2015, 02:40 PM   #73
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I think it's a no brainer to offer it as an option. If you like doing burnouts, stick to the rwd option. AWD would be a step up for sure. Porsche 911 Turbo, Audi RS5, GTR, Lamborghini Aventador, Bugatti Veyron, Audi R8, E63 AMG. AWD rules once you start pushing big power but you have to do it right and try to squeeze every ounce of fat out of the car.
There-in lies the problem, not to mention a beefed up (and heavier) frame to accommodate that option.
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Old 05-23-2015, 02:51 PM   #74
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If this is only an option, I don't see any problem with that.
Fine, but here's my take on this "option" (and I could be wrong). There is no way you can have AWD without beefing up the front suspension, transmission, and possibly rear suspension also, IMO. That said, Camaro did significant things to this car to reduce the overall weight - wonderful. But I don't think GM is going to offer two different frames/suspensions/etc. on the Camaro platform, on the whim that someone may want AWD. This will jack up the cost of production and MSRP. And if they make it an "option" for any variant of the Camaro, ALL Camaros will have to be beefed up and, thereby, cancel out that weight loss they managed... and raise the price across the board.
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Old 05-23-2015, 05:07 PM   #75
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Fine, but here's my take on this "option" (and I could be wrong). There is no way you can have AWD without beefing up the front suspension, transmission, and possibly rear suspension also, IMO. That said, Camaro did significant things to this car to reduce the overall weight - wonderful. But I don't think GM is going to offer two different frames/suspensions/etc. on the Camaro platform, on the whim that someone may want AWD. This will jack up the cost of production and MSRP. And if they make it an "option" for any variant of the Camaro, ALL Camaros will have to be beefed up and, thereby, cancel out that weight loss they managed... and raise the price across the board.
I think you are wrong on at least a few items. First, there is no frame to beef up, it is a unibody. Second, the 6L50 was already AWD compatible, and apparently the 8L45/50 are as well because they are already being used in AWD vehicles. As for beefier suspension, who knows, but the ATS RWD's weight didn't seem to suffer much by having an AWD option.
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Old 05-23-2015, 05:55 PM   #76
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Camaro is NOT a muscle car and Camaro is NOT a sports car.

It is a, however, a performance car. And if AWD improves that performance it should be considered.

GM itself will use sports and muscle when referring to the Camaro. That's just a ploy to make the connection for sales and marketing. But the truth is GM has a true sports car in the Corvette but as the have very few RWD cars to over power with a high HP V8 (that is a muscle car) they can only hope you think the Camaro is both a spirts car and a muscle car.
What kind of performance gains and at what cost to the entire Camaro line,not just the AWD version?

How would the beefed up from sub-frame affect the non AWD version?

We have Corvettes and Camaros that can take down sports car (or performance cars if you like) that cost two or three times as much, no need to complicate that with AWD.
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:03 PM   #77
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Called it!

6th Gen ZL1 Camaro with AWD.
That would be insane. You already know it's getting a power bump too.
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:54 PM   #78
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That would be insane. You already know it's getting a power bump too.
Agreed.

The obvious choice is LT4 640+hp.


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Old 05-23-2015, 11:22 PM   #79
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I'm a die-hard RWD fan and love my 4th M6 LS1 gen for the raw experience and lack of electrical nannies; that being said, I've driven my dad's A6 Corvette GS and you end up turning the faster times with electrical aids on. Having the car being able to help you with your available traction RELIABLY gives you confidence to push it to limits (with help from time to time) and drive faster. One car is absolute proof of this; the Nissan GTR. The fact that it's an overweight pig it laps faster than a Corvette Z06. The only reason it's capable of doing this is an amazing AWD and traction management system (ok and the short gearing and turbo V6 deserve credit). GM has already said the front engine RWD setup is what limits the car right now.

So while I'd love to see the Camaro keep a RWD option (it's what I'd buy anyways) if the platform allows for an AWD power train why not offer it?


Also; if they made an all out AWD LT4 stripped down version like the C5 Z28, can we agree that Z48 is an appropriate model name?

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Old 05-24-2015, 11:05 AM   #80
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Like most others I would only be okay with it if it didn't drive cost and weight up of the 2wd versions.
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Old 05-24-2015, 11:32 AM   #81
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For those who do not get the GM Authority daily newsletter, this was one of the articles today. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2015/05/...7311-312434101

That's right. GM is asking for opinions from Camaro fans, whether or not to introduce an ALL WHEEL DRIVE version of the Gen6 Camaro. In my opinion, this is sacrilege! I voted and posted a comment against it, suggesting that GM get rid of the non-selling "SS" sedan and reintroduce the Chevelle as their grocery-getter with various engines and, yes... even an AWD version. Or, make the whole line AWD.

I'm all for GM keeping up with technology, but I'm even more geared toward maintaining certain traditions - specifically, that the Camaro remain a two-door, RWD, sports/pony/muscle car. The next thing you know they'll be wanting to make it a four-door.

If you are a traditional Camaro enthusiast, please read the brief article and vote against the idea of an AWD Camaro. Thank you.
Let's just say that I really dislike the specks below !
Should i start a petetion asking GM to not make it available for anyone ? That's a nonsense way of thinking , let alone for a potencilally financial advantage on selling more cars than the other guys around in the same field
It make no sense at all from the business point of view
If one think the way you are thinking , the auto industry ( IE) Camaro included will be still looking like the first G , no new anything added over the years
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Keep the tradition. AWD Camaro? What's next, women voting?

Will Bruce Jenner be alawed to vote ?
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Old 05-24-2015, 11:40 AM   #83
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How about an option for an all out performance camaro with AWD, an NA LS7 worked over to get more than 600 hp and 600 LB-ft of torque, light body, big brakes, paddle shifted and performance better than the current Z-28 ? Something that can easily compete with a porsche gt3 ?
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Old 05-24-2015, 01:47 PM   #84
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Probably would only be available with an automatic transmission. I read an article years ago in Hotrod Magazine about an all wheel steering IROC, never happened. All wheel drive has been considered many times before but never happened. Unless you want a jacked up 4x4 Camaro. It should be an option. I would like to see it available for the V6 with a twin turbo, and manual transmission. Like an analog version of the GTR R35 except half the price, and twice the looks.
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