2019 Z28, Reality?? - Page 6

maraging · 08-22-2017, 08:18 PM

If they do a super expensive one again it would be cool. Then they can sell it next to the remaining 15s.

MrChrisLS3 · 08-23-2017, 08:53 AM

I have a hard time believing that GM won't put out a Z/28. It's been a Camaro moniker used in every generation. How they used this moniker and what place it took in the performance hierarchy in the line up has moved around from generation to generation.

Unless GM is breaking out a brand new small block, which they may be, the 1LE version of the ZL1 doesn't leave much room for that ultimate track car the Gen5 Z/28 represented. Also consider that while the Gen5 did accomplish it's desired goals of bringing attention to the Camaro to help with sales in the final years of the generation along with clearing out the parts bin and contracts on the LS7, an engine without a car at the point, and introducing some new tech, DSSV, to the arsenal, I think they learned that while a stripped down race car is makes for great press, it's not something people are really going to spend money on.

The only real open slot I see in this line up, again assuming no new ground breaking technology, is a car with all the 1LE goodies, DSSV, Aero, special wheels and tires, equipped with an N/A LT1, and priced somewhere between the SS 1LE and the ZL1 version. The real big difference being that this car would offer the more aggressive styling of the ZL1 complete with as mentioned the wheel and tire package etc.

14Black1LESS · 08-23-2017, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

The only real open slot I see in this line up, again assuming no new ground breaking technology, is a car with all the 1LE goodies, DSSV, Aero, special wheels and tires, equipped with an N/A LT1, and priced somewhere between the SS 1LE and the ZL1 version. The real big difference being that this car would offer the more aggressive styling of the ZL1 complete with as mentioned the wheel and tire package etc.

They should do something similar like they did with the Corvette Grand Sport. Make it with the LT1 but tune it to over 500hp and have all the ZL1 1LE aero, suspension, tires, etc. added to it and drop some weight off of it to get it around 3400lb.

1998Z28 · 08-24-2017, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

A car of this price is not getting a unique 700hp NA engine.. I just can't see that.

Maybe it won't be unique to the Camaro. Maybe it will be shared with the C8 Vette.

Bhobbs · 08-24-2017, 07:04 PM

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Maybe it won't be unique to the Camaro. Maybe it will be shared with the C8 Vette.

Maybe, but it won't be for a while before they would allow it. That means it wouldn't be until the gen 7 Camaro.

Either way, a Camaro costing $60k plus deserves a unique engine. The GT350 got one, and it stickered below $60k.

14Black1LESS · 08-25-2017, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Maybe, but it won't be for a while before they would allow it. That means it wouldn't be until the gen 7 Camaro.

Either way, a Camaro costing $60k plus deserves a unique engine. The GT350 got one, and it stickered below $60k.

GM isn't going to make a unique engine just for the Z/28, it's not cost effective to do that. It would have to be shared with another vehicle, more than likely Corvette and/or one of the Cadillac V models. The GT350 might have a MSRP of around $60k but all the ones I have seen have a $15k-$20k dealer markup, which is insane. I'm sure the GT350R, if you can find one, probably has about the same markup.

shaffe · 08-25-2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

They should do something similar like they did with the Corvette Grand Sport. Make it with the LT1 but tune it to over 500hp and have all the ZL1 1LE aero, suspension, tires, etc. added to it and drop some weight off of it to get it around 3400lb.

That sounds like the ideal Z/28 to me. It does not need to be the end all be all of performance for the Camaro line up.

The only problem with your plan there is the weight, that would be a tall order IMO, that would make it weigh the same as a Corvette Grand Sport

Bhobbs · 08-25-2017, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

GM isn't going to make a unique engine just for the Z/28, it's not cost effective to do that. It would have to be shared with another vehicle, more than likely Corvette and/or one of the Cadillac V models. The GT350 might have a MSRP of around $60k but all the ones I have seen have a $15k-$20k dealer markup, which is insane. I'm sure the GT350R, if you can find one, probably has about the same markup.

How is it not cost effective? Both Ford and Dodge do it. The only one that doesn't is GM.

ADM has no bearing on whether or not a unique engine is cost effective.

BoostedX2 · 08-25-2017, 11:03 AM

AGREE with Bhobbs!!

ChefBorOzzy · 08-25-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

How is it not cost effective? Both Ford and Dodge do it. The only one that doesn't is GM.

ADM has no bearing on whether or not a unique engine is cost effective.

GT350 costs 10k+ more than a 1LE.. Perhaps that shows that it's really not cost effective to have a "special" engine.

Bhobbs · 08-25-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

GT350 costs 10k+ more than a 1LE.. Perhaps that shows that it's really not cost effective to have a "special" engine.

GT350R cost $10k less than the Z/28. Perhaps that shows using a parts bin drive train isn't cost effective either.

ChefBorOzzy · 08-25-2017, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

GT350R cost $10k less than the Z/28. Perhaps that shows using a parts bin drive train isn't cost effective either.

It shows that GM slapped a bunch of expensive parts on it.

Xmitterengineer · 08-25-2017, 03:57 PM

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.mercuryracing.com/automotive/

I haven't read the entire thread, forgive me if this is redundant.

RLHMARINES · 08-25-2017, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

GT350R cost $10k less than the Z/28. Perhaps that shows using a parts bin drive train isn't cost effective either.

The Z/28 was not asked to be cheap but it was tasked to be fast, and that it was in spades. The Z/28 was also not a baked in design from the start like the GT350R and/or the ZL1 1LE is, so validation timelines have to be done to ensure reliability and production schedules are met.

I don't mind a parts bin car as long the parts bin itself is prolific in the fruit that it bears, then I'm totally fine with it.

Something truly special this way is a coming.....

08-25-2017, 11:03 AM	#79
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08-22-2017, 08:18 PM	#71
maraging Drives: 15 1ss 1le Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: kansas Posts: 295	If they do a super expensive one again it would be cool. Then they can sell it next to the remaining 15s.

08-23-2017, 08:53 AM	#72
MrChrisLS3 Drives: 2018 1SS M6 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 2,617	I have a hard time believing that GM won't put out a Z/28. It's been a Camaro moniker used in every generation. How they used this moniker and what place it took in the performance hierarchy in the line up has moved around from generation to generation. Unless GM is breaking out a brand new small block, which they may be, the 1LE version of the ZL1 doesn't leave much room for that ultimate track car the Gen5 Z/28 represented. Also consider that while the Gen5 did accomplish it's desired goals of bringing attention to the Camaro to help with sales in the final years of the generation along with clearing out the parts bin and contracts on the LS7, an engine without a car at the point, and introducing some new tech, DSSV, to the arsenal, I think they learned that while a stripped down race car is makes for great press, it's not something people are really going to spend money on. The only real open slot I see in this line up, again assuming no new ground breaking technology, is a car with all the 1LE goodies, DSSV, Aero, special wheels and tires, equipped with an N/A LT1, and priced somewhere between the SS 1LE and the ZL1 version. The real big difference being that this car would offer the more aggressive styling of the ZL1 complete with as mentioned the wheel and tire package etc.

08-25-2017, 03:57 PM	#83
Xmitterengineer Drives: 2014 LS2 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: NC Posts: 28	I'll just leave this here: http://www.mercuryracing.com/automotive/ I haven't read the entire thread, forgive me if this is redundant.

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