02-08-2013, 08:40 AM | #43 | |
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Even at stock numbers with 260 - 280HP/TQ, in a 3,3xx lb car would likely be a low 6 second 0 - 60, and mid 14 second 1/4 mile car. I think thats respectable for a base 4-cylinder car. If they decide to bump the numbers into the 300s, well then it will likely be as fast or faster than todays V6.
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02-08-2013, 08:57 AM | #44 |
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Subaru's Legacy 2.5 GT (3400-ish, 260-ish) is a high 13 second car (and low 5's to 60 mph). At anything above about 2000 rpm where the boost has started to come in, you'd never guess it was "only a 4" by the seat of the pants feel.
Chevy could do far worse than target that range of performance for an I4 Camaro (and as an I4 it would have a far more pleasant exhaust note than Subaru's H4). Norm |
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You guys do realize it wouldn't be the first time Camaro had 4 cylinders?...
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02-08-2013, 09:20 AM | #46 |
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Ask the guys that were buying 4 cylinder Mustangs in the 80's. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Insurance and fuel......
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02-08-2013, 09:35 AM | #47 |
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I get that a lot of you guys like low displacement turbo green cars, but why do you need to attack a guy who says he would only buy the V8? That's what he likes. A lot of us like it. If no one wanted to buy a V8 version of this car we wouldn't need anything but a Malibu. Showing a $150,000 electric super car means nothing. Might as well show a Bugatti.
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02-08-2013, 11:54 AM | #49 |
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Hey, here's an idea. Why not make a small turbo 4 banger like a Cobalt SS with one of their econo cars? Because if they turn the Camaro into a Cobalt or worse a Leaf then I will be in the market for a Mustang, Challenger or whoever is still making muscle cars. There are probably others who think like me. Not knocking your choice however, drive a lawn mower if you want, or a Kia hamster mobile. I like big displacement NA V8. Sue me.
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02-08-2013, 11:55 AM | #50 | |
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...I disagree with the argument that these cars need a small engine for the V-8 to even be available, (as if the fours and sixes were doing us a favor)...I see it the other way around, the V-8 gives the car it's appeal, and the Camaro wouldn't have been built if it weren't for the V-8, not the other way around... I saw the thread that showed the production numbers for the 2011-2012 Camaros...as I re-call, the V-6 was not a runaway majority, it was fairly even.... |
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02-08-2013, 11:59 AM | #51 |
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I can't imagine why anyone would want a 4 cylinder Camaro. I can see wanting a 4 cylinder in a car designed for a 4 cylinder engine, but I really don't see the point in bastardizing a car made for muscle.
A lot of posters seem to think everyone against the 4 cylinder Camaro are neanderthals. We're really pragmatists. We know what introducing a 4 cylinder means for V8 enthusiasts; watered-down performance and bullshit. And yes, it's been done before. It wasn't good. |
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For every person who thinks chevy will make a WRX Sti, 3 more think it will be the Iron Duke.
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02-08-2013, 12:54 PM | #53 | |
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Putting a 4 cyl. engine in a camaro variant that has historically been themed as a v8 performace car (such as an SS or a Z28) to me is ridiculous because it is a compromise on the heritage of the car. The performace camaro is more (believe it or not) than just sheer numbers. The v8 camaro represents a sound, feel, persona of camaros past and present that has been characterized by their v8 motors, and as such, that persona would have very slim or no odds of being equally replicated by a different engine configuration. Its my opinion, and to me it is not a ridiculous statement. Your reply, however, leaves a lot to be desired.
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02-08-2013, 01:07 PM | #54 |
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This thread makes me want to start a "Why did you get a V6 Camaro?" thread
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02-08-2013, 01:23 PM | #55 | |
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Simply put, if adding an I4 engine to the 6th gen lineup means they sell 100,000 cars instead of 90,000 cars (pulling easy numbers out my ass) then why not? It just means that we ALL have a better chance of seeing a 7th gen, 8th gen, 9th gen Camaro... a win-win for all of us. It simply will not affect anyone who only wants to buy the SS, Z28, ZL1, whatever model. Another classic example - for all the hate people give on the v6s. How many people on this site bought a v6 and then upgraded to an SS? If they hadn't bought that v6 to fall even more in love with the Camaro, for all we know they could have gone with a Mustang or some other car entirely. Because they offered the v6 GM got two sales out of them...
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Look around your neighborhood. On my block, there are exactly two V8 cars other than mine, and there might be a couple more cars in top-of-the-model-line performance trim other than my other 3. Most people really do just buy point A to point B transportation. Quote:
I'd fear upcoming mpg standards far, FAR more than 4-cylinder powerplants as far as maintaining or further improving performance is concerned. Fighting against availability of a four is picking the wrong battle. I know about Iron Dukes (and Chevy's 153 CID fours 10 or 15 tears before that). Neither of those adversely affected V8 development, and we're anywhere from 20 to 50 or so years removed from the state of tune that those engines were built to. Norm |
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