"too bad its slow because it only has the 6 speed. I couldn't afford the auto" - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Arachnyd · 09-14-2011, 02:10 PM

I got this comment from an LS owner today. I thought it was interesting. (supposed to say "couldn't afford the auto" but I cant edit it)

He literally was embarassed to be driving the six speed because he couldn't afford the better automatic.

I personally think 6spd is much better than auto, and run a 6 Speed SS.

But I dont think anyone on here would view a six speed as being a sign of weakness? Do most non-automotive savvy people really think the automatic gives them a bunch of performance gains? Is there a reason someone would be embarassed to have a manual?

I was complimenting his car (base LS, but hey a camaro is a camaro). Maybe he was just intimidated by my modified SS? I just thought I'd get the perspective if anyone had any insight as to what the average person views between stick and manual (THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT AS TO WHICH IS BETTER ON THE CAMARO. while both can be argued, no one should be EMBARASSED to have either!)

1BADLS3 · 09-14-2011, 02:12 PM

I see it as a preference versus weakness. If you want to drive a stick, fine, if you want to drive an auto, fine....

Either way, the guy seems pretty insecure if he thinks a transmission choice is an important reflection of his financial or social status...

BowtieBelle · 09-14-2011, 02:14 PM

If you know how to drive, you can get more performance out of a stick, point blank period. I think he probably just doesn't know much about cars?

Nvincent4708 · 09-14-2011, 02:17 PM

i think manual trans when i think muscle car..just me ?

toesuf94 · 09-14-2011, 02:19 PM

Wha? Did we timewarp back to 1951 when it was a status symbol to have an AUTO?

This debate is just stupid...drive what YOU like and worry about YOURSELF.

Rant off

Deke736 · 09-14-2011, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nvincent4708

i think manual trans when i think muscle car..just me ?

Does that mean my 2SS isn't a muscle car since it's an auto?! I wanted a stick but my wife wanted the auto, so I compromised. It was either the auto or no Camaro, but i had no idea I was sacrificing not have a real muscle car anymore!!!

2010SS2SS · 09-14-2011, 02:21 PM

"If you know how to drive, you can get more performance out of a stick, point blank period. I think he probably just doesn't know much about cars?"

Not the case at all! With many modern cars the Automatics will outperform manual (Stick Shift) even with professional drivers. Computers and limiters can and will prevail over human senses. If I'm not mistaken the Automatic Camaro L99 actually posted fast 1/4 and 6 ft times than the stick cars even with the horsepower discripency

1BADLS3 · 09-14-2011, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2010SS2SS

"If you know how to drive, you can get more performance out of a stick, point blank period. I think he probably just doesn't know much about cars?"

Not the case at all! With many modern cars the Automatics will outperform manual (Stick Shift) even with professional drivers. Computers and limiters can and will prevail over human senses. If I'm not mistaken the Automatic Camaro L99 actually posted fast 1/4 and 6 ft times than the stick cars even with the horsepower discripency

As a general rule, sometimes manufacturers are able to get more gas mileage out of automatics because they can program them to shift to the highest possible gear in every driving condition.

It also depends on the type of automatic. DCT/DSG/SMG type transmissions (non-hydraulic autos) can sometimes have a performance advantage. But for the most part, you need a very excellent driver in an automatic to be faster than a regular pro in a manual. The performance loss in a conventional hydraulic automatic is always greater than a similarly equipped vehicle with an optimized manual transmission.

kiteman · 09-14-2011, 02:25 PM

drove a manual ls1 for 7 years so got pretty good at. in the market for an ls3 now and have test driven both. the auto shifts significantly slower than i can personally shift a manual. maybe not the case for your friend, or some people are just ignorant. you'll rarely find a professional race car driver in an automatic.

Revo1 · 09-14-2011, 02:26 PM

Round and round the mulberry bush, the monkey chased weasel...

ravensjeff · 09-14-2011, 02:26 PM

Both manual and auto are six speed transmissions.

jthurik · 09-14-2011, 02:29 PM

autos are for race cars and I love my manual 6 speed Camaro and I bought the manual because that's what I wanted to buy......

John

myold88 · 09-14-2011, 02:30 PM

I bought the auto (and paid a premium) because it's better imo- Just get stuck in a crawl along interstate traffic jamb for a couple of hours and see which one is best.
I know I'm adding fuel to the fire but why do we have too keep beating the same dead horse ?

BowtieBelle · 09-14-2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revo1

Round and round the mulberry bush, the monkey chased weasel...

09-14-2011, 02:10 PM	#1
Arachnyd Master of all trades Drives: 2many2count Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Chester, OH (near cincy) Posts: 732	"too bad its slow because it only has the 6 speed. I couldn't afford the auto" I got this comment from an LS owner today. I thought it was interesting. (supposed to say "couldn't afford the auto" but I cant edit it) He literally was embarassed to be driving the six speed because he couldn't afford the better automatic. I personally think 6spd is much better than auto, and run a 6 Speed SS. But I dont think anyone on here would view a six speed as being a sign of weakness? Do most non-automotive savvy people really think the automatic gives them a bunch of performance gains? Is there a reason someone would be embarassed to have a manual? I was complimenting his car (base LS, but hey a camaro is a camaro). Maybe he was just intimidated by my modified SS? I just thought I'd get the perspective if anyone had any insight as to what the average person views between stick and manual (THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT AS TO WHICH IS BETTER ON THE CAMARO. while both can be argued, no one should be EMBARASSED to have either!) __________________ 2010 Camaro SS modified extensively. I stretched the body to make it a 4 door, but I swapped in the 3.6L DI V6 for fuel economy. Then I picked up a corvette body around the V8. I also swapped the body for a C2 Z28. (In short I traded it for three cars, a Corvette Z06r, a C2 Camaro Z28, and a Cadillac CTS Summer Performance package 3.6L DI with Aisin 6spd.) Last edited by Arachnyd; 09-14-2011 at 02:11 PM. Reason: spelling error

09-14-2011, 02:14 PM	#3
BowtieBelle They see me trollin'... Drives: 217 ci of fury; Chauffeured by SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 13,876 View My Garage	If you know how to drive, you can get more performance out of a stick, point blank period. I think he probably just doesn't know much about cars? __________________ "Never race anything you can't afford to light on fire and push off a cliff." -CamaroSpike 2011 Custom LT/RS: Bella's Build Thread

09-14-2011, 02:19 PM	#5
toesuf94 Drives: THR #11 E-force supercharged Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 4,746	Wha? Did we timewarp back to 1951 when it was a status symbol to have an AUTO? This debate is just stupid...drive what YOU like and worry about YOURSELF. Rant off __________________ Cars and women are both going to give you problems...but you can pay somebody else to fix your car!

09-14-2011, 02:26 PM	#10
Revo1 Don't Like it? Suggit. Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 14,832 View My Garage	Round and round the mulberry bush, the monkey chased weasel... __________________ "Tops off, tach up baby- loud and proud!" A Camaro lover from day one- 1996 3.8 V6 Camaro, to 1996 5.7 LT1 Camaro Z28, to the sold 2002 5.7 LS1 Camaro SS, and NOW, a [I]6.2 L99 VR 2SS/RS: XS Power stainless full exhaust, Airaid CAI, BMR drop springs and sways, custom tune by Cal Speed- 411rwhp

09-14-2011, 02:26 PM	#11
ravensjeff 100% Chevy & Harley Man Drives: 2010 2SS: Blown LSX 376-B15 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Eldersburg,MD Posts: 2,211 View My Garage	Both manual and auto are six speed transmissions. __________________ LSX 376-B15, TVS2300 SC, Harland Sharp Rockers w/ Trunion Bearings, ATI Balancer/keyed, AR LT Headers/Borla Catback Exhaust, DSS 1400 HP Axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, 3.70, Hotchkis Springs/Sway bars, Forgeline SO3P Aluminum Wheels (20x9.5 F/20x11 R)w/ Hidden Titanium Hardware, Nitto NT05 Tires (27540ZR20 F/31535ZR20 R), Billet LPE brake/gas pedals, Escort 9500ci Radar Detector Laser Jammer, Roto Fab CAI with Ice Silver box, Carbon fiber tube/MAF Housing Assy, LPE Aluminum coil covers, SS9 Sleeper Fiber Glass Hood (ACS), Carbotech 1521 ceramic brake pads, Elite catch can.

09-14-2011, 02:12 PM	#2
1BADLS3 Drives: Sold: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: United States Posts: 1,896	I see it as a preference versus weakness. If you want to drive a stick, fine, if you want to drive an auto, fine.... Either way, the guy seems pretty insecure if he thinks a transmission choice is an important reflection of his financial or social status...

09-14-2011, 02:17 PM	#4
Nvincent4708 Drives: N/A Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 25,855 View My Garage	i think manual trans when i think muscle car..just me ?

09-14-2011, 02:21 PM	#7
2010SS2SS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS 2SS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Cypress, texas Posts: 1,302	"If you know how to drive, you can get more performance out of a stick, point blank period. I think he probably just doesn't know much about cars?" Not the case at all! With many modern cars the Automatics will outperform manual (Stick Shift) even with professional drivers. Computers and limiters can and will prevail over human senses. If I'm not mistaken the Automatic Camaro L99 actually posted fast 1/4 and 6 ft times than the stick cars even with the horsepower discripency

09-14-2011, 02:25 PM	#9
kiteman Drives: 2012 45th Camaro, 2SS/M6 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: At my computer Posts: 1,318	drove a manual ls1 for 7 years so got pretty good at. in the market for an ls3 now and have test driven both. the auto shifts significantly slower than i can personally shift a manual. maybe not the case for your friend, or some people are just ignorant. you'll rarely find a professional race car driver in an automatic.

09-14-2011, 02:29 PM	#12
jthurik Drives: 2014 Corvette Z51 TT 2018 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 66	autos are for race cars and I love my manual 6 speed Camaro and I bought the manual because that's what I wanted to buy...... John Last edited by jthurik; 09-14-2011 at 02:43 PM.

09-14-2011, 02:30 PM	#13
myold88 Drives: SUMMIT WHITE 2SS/RS CAMARO Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 2018: Lakewood Ranch, Fl. Posts: 8,112 View My Garage	I bought the auto (and paid a premium) because it's better imo- Just get stuck in a crawl along interstate traffic jamb for a couple of hours and see which one is best. I know I'm adding fuel to the fire but why do we have too keep beating the same dead horse ? __________________

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