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11-16-2017, 10:00 AM | #464 |
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There isn't really a head to head, but if you put an expert driver in a SS 1LE vs a GT350R and It's not a very straight track, The SS 1LE beats the car because it outhandles it.
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11-16-2017, 10:43 AM | #466 | |
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Power means nothing without the ability to use it. The ZL1 has a better power to weight for sure (not by much), but it also matches every handling metric compared to the GT350R. That's why it loses. That's also why the SS 1LE is so close because the reality is the LT4's power doesn't contribute that much to the lap times. But I wouldn't say the SS 1LE would beat the R same day/track/driver either.
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11-16-2017, 11:32 AM | #468 | |
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As for Chevy needing it. No need to remind you the ZL1 is 300lbs heavier which matters more than power added when it comes to track performance. So the reality is despite being a much heavier car, the ZL1 can still match the R's performance while being fully loaded in every sense of the word. Now if we were talking about straight line performance, I agree no comparison b/c the R was never designed to do it (except someone thought it did need Drag Mode). But at the same time the ZL1 was not designed to just be fast around a track like the R. And I never said the SS 1LE is faster. I specifically mentioned I'm sure it is not. And the BDC's at LS proved they aren't as close as the ZL1 is to it. But the SS 1LE is down 70HP and was less than 2 secs slower? Where's that 70hp advantage there?
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11-16-2017, 12:06 PM | #469 |
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Ford wont allow any Mags to do a H2H with the 1LE against any GT350's because of the bad press it would result in for the GT350. We all know that, and dont mention power when its advantageous to the Camaro and then pretend it doesnt matter when the shoe is on the other foot!
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From C&D's test on VIR:
GT350R: 2:51.8s SS 1LE: 2:54.8s From MT @ Laguna Seca (Randy Pobst.) Gt350R: 1:36.11s SS1LE: 1:37.78s Since the GT350R is faster than the base GT350, its safe to say the 1LE is a match. I doubt the 2018 PP2 will be faster than the GT350R lol. SS1LE will still be the performer.
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Yep...never any track tests of a standard GT350 versus a 1LE...and that's a real shame. But based on standalone tests of the GT350, 350R, and 1LE its not difficult to arrive to the conclusion that the 1LE should be more or less just as great (or better) a track car than the standard GT350. The 350 has advantages on longer straights, and that's it.
So for Ford to beat the 1LE with their PP2, they are going to have to make it an equal, or better track car than the standard GT350 (except again of course, for the straights where that extra 60ish HP and weight advantage will help it out). I think its possible that Ford wants a GT to run with or beat the 1LE bad enough that they will do just that...make a GT that is faster than the standard 350 on a track. But you'll never hear anyone mention it. There will be no reviews with a 350 and a PP2 on the same track. Ford and Ford fanboys will just say "but the VooDoo..." But the truth is that for 10 grand less than the standard 350, you'll be able to buy equal or better track cars in the GT and SS.
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Now back to the ZL1 vs GT350R, I wonder how the track time of the GT350R would have improved by giving it equal power to the ZL1? Do you think it would have improved by .39 seconds? How about if the GT350R had another 25-hp? Yes it is Ford's fault for not having a more powerful version of the Mustang at this time, but bottom line is the R lost because it lacked HP not because it was not up to the task in the handling/braking department. What would happen if the two went at it for a 20-minutes session, would the ZL1 eventually start limiting power because of SC heat, would the ZL1s brakes finally give up? I'm pretty sure the R would be ok for that duration.
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I think you are confusing the GT350 Tech Pack with the ZL1. The ZL1 can run just fine w/o overheating. HAHAHA 11 coolers to do so, but still.
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Because its extra power is enough to overcome its weight. Come on dude, I know you know that!
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