09-21-2020, 12:56 PM | #29 |
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For the average consumer the Camaro is a nice looking car but is pretty impractical. Getting in and out of the car without dragging your feet across the bottom of the door sill is a cumbersome task. Maybe for some it's not a big deal but for others the marks left on the sill are like warts on a nose. Visibility is a major factor for the average car buyer so that kills the Camaro. There are a number of reasons the car is rather sparse in numbers out on the road. We are living in the era of forced electric vehicle and it is going to be a game changer. Some will appreciate it and others will hate it but here we are. Times and cars have changed. The world is an unfriendly place to live if one cannot roll with the changes.
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09-21-2020, 01:36 PM | #30 |
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Just using Cargurus for a Nationwide search. There are 7500 brand new Mustangs for sale nationwide, and roughly 2900 brand new Camaros for sale nationwide.
Brand new Challenger shows 6K nationwide available. Chargers are another 9K brand new ones for sale right now. It's hard to outsell the competition when they produce way more cars. They also have been more aggressive on incentives. I personally don't think GM has really been trying to outsell the competition the last few years they seem to prefer having less inventory, fewer models/trim, and higher prices. It probably makes sense vs producing a ton of inventory and then trying to use deeper incentives to sell them. GM has done a lot of this in the past and it has not really been successful. |
09-21-2020, 08:40 PM | #31 |
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Most people dont want cars these days, and the ones that do are looking for economy and practicality. Also, with all the crap going on, many people aren't buying single purpose expensive toys. Plus GM quality has been sliding across the board. Look for the Camaro to go bye bye except maybe in the high dollar versions if the Vette keeps climbing. I honestly believe that GM has bigger issues than worrying about the Camaro being here. Outside of this forum, almost no one is talking about them. I honestly havent been here for a long time. Came back today to see what has been up in the Camaro world with all this stuff going on. I'm see not much. Looks to me it's about game over.
Get out of the GM world for awhile if you want to see some exciting stuff going on in the car world. The new Vette is the only thing even remotely interesting at GM right now. They ruined their trucks in styling and quality both. I believe its pretty much a borefest across the line right now. Its a real shame. It's so bad that my father-in-law traded his new Camaro on a new Wrangler. Wow! Guess we'll see. I hate to see it go again, but GM is tanking in so many way as I see it. I'll be amazed if its here in five years. |
09-21-2020, 09:22 PM | #32 |
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Currently, prices are so high with the Camaro in the used market and there’s so few new cars on dealer lots + near zero incentives, it’s the only time I’ve come to the conclusion of building the exact car I wanted making the most sense.
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09-21-2020, 09:24 PM | #33 |
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Man I can’t imagine going from a Camaro to a Wrangler. And I own both a Camaro and a 19 JL Wrangler! You are going from one of the best handling vehicles out there to one of the worst. But if you like off-roading and rock climbing the Wrangler is a blast. But I hate driving the thing most of the time on normal roads.
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09-21-2020, 09:28 PM | #34 | |
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09-21-2020, 10:03 PM | #35 |
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Just tonight, i chose to take my Camaro for an hour of errands in Rockville, MD vs the rental Tahoe we have as my wifes Traverse is in the shop. Yeah i know the Tahoe is huge, but from the Camaro reviews i read before i got the Camaro, i thought the outward visibility and usability was like a LeMans prototype.
I really think the lack of usability in the Camaro is a little overdone. Because of these reviews i flat out dismissed the car. I probably postpone buying a Camaro a year or two. |
09-21-2020, 10:12 PM | #36 |
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My wife and kids love the Wrangler. She put 10K miles on it in 8 months with Covid. I will say taking the roof off and doors is a blast. You can’t do that with a Camaro but I have been driving sports cars daily for over 30 years so I think it’s just in my DNA. I love driving my SS1LE for even quick errands.
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09-21-2020, 11:13 PM | #37 | |
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09-22-2020, 08:27 AM | #38 |
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That's exactly what happened to me! I even made some reasonable offers on used Camaros across the country, lined up transport, etc. But nobody wanted to budge and the prices were close enough to brand new that I YOLOd it.
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09-22-2020, 09:04 AM | #41 |
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If Chevy actually put more effort, and was smart about the Camaro sales, it would be doing a lot better. However, everyone is staring at C8s, Chevy SUVs, and Trucks now. No one is going to look at a go-fast car in the pandemic, unless they want a Mustang or Challenger. They pretty much gave up after 2019, when they started dropping weird special edition packages. No one really wants them, and those are the only cars that sit on the lots. Which is why they got rid of Shock and Steel Edition cars, and went with the Wild Cherry package, which I also think will fail. If they can't step up their game by the time the 55th anniversary comes around, then they are done.
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