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K32 Camaro · 01-16-2013, 02:28 PM

I'm considering just buying an all new engine vs forging my current L99. Would anyone care to tell me what all is missing on a long block?

Also why is it that if you look at lingenfelter vs TSP there is a huge price difference. Is that because lingenfelter is listing their installed price?

Oh, and also I have seen alot of people get LSX blocks but not anyone who has the LS7 blocks. Why is that?

Dave Coyle · 01-16-2013, 02:32 PM

Most of the time a long block is everything except the intake, water pump, oil pan and pullies. I see your in Ohio so you might want to check with Livernois Motorsports, they have MANY options to suit your needs. Their site is Livernoismotorsports.com. Good luck.

2SS45th · 01-16-2013, 03:26 PM

LSX is one of the strongest motors out there, but cost wise you will spend way more for the long block, and if you do an LS7 it wouldn't be much stronger than your L99.

K32 Camaro · 01-16-2013, 05:42 PM

I'm having trouble finding what cams they put in them. Do they put in stock cams unless requesting a different one?

Andy@Livernois · 01-16-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by K32 Camaro

I'm considering just buying an all new engine vs forging my current L99. Would anyone care to tell me what all is missing on a long block?

Also why is it that if you look at lingenfelter vs TSP there is a huge price difference. Is that because lingenfelter is listing their installed price?

Oh, and also I have seen alot of people get LSX blocks but not anyone who has the LS7 blocks. Why is that?

The LS7 block is pretty much the weakest engine block when it comes to these LS engines. Typically, if someone is wanting 427+ CID we recommend a resleeved LS3 block, an LSX block, or, at the top tier, and RHS block. As far as cams, for a longblock, we include our custom camshaft in the build pricing, but we do have many options for custom tailor it to your specific needs.

Feel free to give us a call if you have any other questions.

Vinz68 · 01-16-2013, 06:23 PM

I would talk to Andy from Livernois.

Russell James · 01-16-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy@Livernois

The LS7 block is pretty much the weakest engine block when it comes to these LS engines. Typically, if someone is wanting 427+ CID we recommend a resleeved LS3 block, an LSX block, or, at the top tier, and RHS block. As far as cams, for a longblock, we include our custom camshaft in the build pricing, but we do have many options for custom tailor it to your specific needs.

Feel free to give us a call if you have any other questions.

Andy, any thoughts on the new Dart cast iron block coming out? It looks like it will need a custom oil pan. But supposedly a better casting process without the bottom section. I'd like to build up a 427/440ish size iron block but I wonder about some of the casting flaws some seem to have run into with prior iron x blocks. Maybe it's an overblown rare issue, but curious if this new Dart block will be a better iron option for high boost?

Andy@Livernois · 01-16-2013, 06:33 PM

I have looked at their flyers, but have not seen one in person. We have never had any LSX block issues, but I have seen where some people have. I guess it just depends on how hard you want to push it. The only way I would consider it superior would be in CGI instead of gray iron.

caverman · 01-16-2013, 06:42 PM

Mast Motorsports is a big player in the LS world as well.

Call around and research a few to determine what's best for you.

2SS45th · 01-16-2013, 06:44 PM

do you have a forced induction setup or are you looking for big cubes NA horespower?

Pro Stock John · 01-16-2013, 07:01 PM

If you are looking to do a NA stroker that runs on pump gas, you could just keep running an aluminum stock block. I'd only go LSX, RHS, Dart for a power adder or extreme compression NA setup.

2SS45th · 01-16-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

If you are looking to do a NA stroker that runs on pump gas, you could just keep running an aluminum stock block. I'd only go LSX, RHS, Dart for a power adder or extreme compression NA setup.

Exactly where I was going with it, good man

Sandor · 01-16-2013, 07:03 PM

If you are looking for big horsepower and factory reliability check out the new LSX376-B15 from Chevrolet Performance. Capable of 15 pounds of boost and up to 1,000 HP!

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n...lsx-block.html

K32 Camaro · 01-16-2013, 10:09 PM

Well I have most other car parts for my build except the engine and tranny. I already purchased my vortech ysi. I'm thinking of running about 12 lbs and prob meth for safety. I just want something that won't break while running 93octane.

Originally I was going to pay for someone to put in forged pistons, rods, arp studs, ls3 convesion and cam. But if that's gunna cost 5k and a long block is 9k ish. Why not go for keeps?? I can put an engine in a car but I don't want to deal with the headache of working on engine internals.

01-16-2013, 02:28 PM	#1
K32 Camaro V8 lounge member #5 Drives: 12 2SS Synergy Camaro, 05 PontiacG6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,301	Looking through new Long Blocks I'm considering just buying an all new engine vs forging my current L99. Would anyone care to tell me what all is missing on a long block? Also why is it that if you look at lingenfelter vs TSP there is a huge price difference. Is that because lingenfelter is listing their installed price? Oh, and also I have seen alot of people get LSX blocks but not anyone who has the LS7 blocks. Why is that?

01-16-2013, 02:32 PM	#2
Dave Coyle Drives: 2010 SS , 1970 Z-28, 2002 Avalanche Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,524 View My Garage	Most of the time a long block is everything except the intake, water pump, oil pan and pullies. I see your in Ohio so you might want to check with Livernois Motorsports, they have MANY options to suit your needs. Their site is Livernoismotorsports.com. Good luck. __________________ IF IT'S WORTH HAVING, IT'S WORTH WAITING FOR!!!! (AND IT WAS) 434RWHP/403RWTQ Livernois Motorsports 2C Cam kit Kooks 1 7/8 LT Headers/Hi-Flo Cats/Corsa Exhaust Roto-Fab CAI / Port Intake Precission 2400/2800 Converter/3.73 AAM gears Livernois Motorsports Tune Best time: 11.97 @ 117 MPH

01-16-2013, 03:26 PM	#3
2SS45th Drives: 11 Seconds or Faster Join Date: May 2012 Location: Arvada, Colorado Posts: 2,797 View My Garage	LSX is one of the strongest motors out there, but cost wise you will spend way more for the long block, and if you do an LS7 it wouldn't be much stronger than your L99. __________________ I Ain't About That Stock Life.

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Vinz68 Drives: 68,69,72&10 Camaro's 12 CTS-V Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Hampton Bays,NY Posts: 193	I would talk to Andy from Livernois. __________________ Vinnie

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01-16-2013, 05:42 PM	#4
K32 Camaro V8 lounge member #5 Drives: 12 2SS Synergy Camaro, 05 PontiacG6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,301	I'm having trouble finding what cams they put in them. Do they put in stock cams unless requesting a different one?

01-16-2013, 06:33 PM	#8
Andy@Livernois Drives: 1987 Buick Regal Turbo-T Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Grand Blanc, MI/Dearborn Heights, MI Posts: 452	I have looked at their flyers, but have not seen one in person. We have never had any LSX block issues, but I have seen where some people have. I guess it just depends on how hard you want to push it. The only way I would consider it superior would be in CGI instead of gray iron.

01-16-2013, 06:44 PM	#10
2SS45th Drives: 11 Seconds or Faster Join Date: May 2012 Location: Arvada, Colorado Posts: 2,797 View My Garage	do you have a forced induction setup or are you looking for big cubes NA horespower? __________________ I Ain't About That Stock Life.

01-16-2013, 07:01 PM	#11
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	If you are looking to do a NA stroker that runs on pump gas, you could just keep running an aluminum stock block. I'd only go LSX, RHS, Dart for a power adder or extreme compression NA setup. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

01-16-2013, 07:03 PM	#13
Sandor Chevrolet Performance Drives: Camaro Chroma Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Motor City Posts: 409	If you are looking for big horsepower and factory reliability check out the new LSX376-B15 from Chevrolet Performance. Capable of 15 pounds of boost and up to 1,000 HP! http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n...lsx-block.html

01-16-2013, 10:09 PM	#14
K32 Camaro V8 lounge member #5 Drives: 12 2SS Synergy Camaro, 05 PontiacG6 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,301	Well I have most other car parts for my build except the engine and tranny. I already purchased my vortech ysi. I'm thinking of running about 12 lbs and prob meth for safety. I just want something that won't break while running 93octane. Originally I was going to pay for someone to put in forged pistons, rods, arp studs, ls3 convesion and cam. But if that's gunna cost 5k and a long block is 9k ish. Why not go for keeps?? I can put an engine in a car but I don't want to deal with the headache of working on engine internals. Last edited by K32 Camaro; 01-17-2013 at 05:19 AM.