too many bowties...not a single CAMARO logo.. - Page 6

*DGthe3* · 08-01-2015, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by amerhash28

100% agree with every word.if you don't think of a camaro as muscle car than what do you think it is?a minivan?its a midsize sports coupe with a big V8 engine and muscular exterior design and aerodynamics; in words,muscle car.the only v8 American coupe I don't consider as a muscle car is the mustang and I believe that a lot of you guys agree with this.

A pony car

amerhash28 · 08-01-2015, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

A pony car

What does that mean?I've heard it a lot amd I don't know what it means.lol

FenwickHockey65 · 08-01-2015, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by amerhash28

What does that mean?I've heard it a lot amd I don't know what it means.lol

Well...

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its a midsize sports coupe with a big V8 engine and muscular exterior design and aerodynamics

Although they started out more as compact cars.

Tractionless · 08-01-2015, 09:19 PM

The way I've always seen it for the 60s and 70s cars:

Muscle car = RWD, big, heavy 2 door body, huge engine with brute power. Excels in acceleration. Examples would be: 442, Grand Sport, Chevelle, GTO, Gran Torino, Charger, Roadrunner, etc. "Simple, big and brutal."

Pony car = RWD, midsize 2 door body, engine size not all that important as long as it is quick and nimble. Camaro, Firebird, Mustang, 'Cuda, Challenger, Javelin, etc. Some big block pony cars might be considered "muscle cars" because of the brute power despite the smaller frame. "

Sports car = RWD, lightweight 2 door body, powerful engine. Expensive, top of the line gizmos, and curvy sporty styling. Examples: Corvette

Modern muscle is much more difficult to categorize since cars are a mixture of the old muscle and pony cars. Big blocks are gone, but the small blocks are producing insane hp. Also, cars aren't as basic and simple as 45 years ago, they now have every safety option available, power everything, leather heated seats, etc., ergo they are heavy despite having a pony car body; not as bulky as the old muscle cars. With all the amenities; comfortable and powerful, current Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers are more like Grand Tourers than Pony or Muscle cars. My .02.

amerhash28 · 08-01-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tractionless

The way I've always seen it for the 60s and 70s cars:

Muscle car = RWD, big, heavy 2 door body, huge engine with brute power. Excels in acceleration. Examples would be: 442, Grand Sport, Chevelle, GTO, Gran Torino, Charger, Roadrunner, etc. "Simple, big and brutal."

Pony car = RWD, midsize 2 door body, engine size not all that important as long as it is quick and nimble. Camaro, Firebird, Mustang, 'Cuda, Challenger, Javelin, etc. Some big block pony cars might be considered "muscle cars" because of the brute power despite the smaller frame. "

Sports car = RWD, lightweight 2 door body, powerful engine. Expensive, top of the line gizmos, and curvy sporty styling. Examples: Corvette

Modern muscle is much more difficult to categorize since cars are a mixture of the old muscle and pony cars. Big blocks are gone, but the small blocks are producing insane hp. Also, cars aren't as basic and simple as 45 years ago, they now have every safety option available, power everything, leather heated seats, etc., ergo they are heavy despite having a pony car body; not as bulky as the old muscle cars. With all the amenities; comfortable and powerful, current Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers are more like Grand Tourers than Pony or Muscle cars. My .02.

I wonder what the 4th gen is not a pony car and definitely not a muscle car so.....?

DenverTaco07 · 08-01-2015, 09:52 PM

Better than a big horse.

Btw they are offering black bowtie, so...

Tractionless · 08-01-2015, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by amerhash28

I wonder what the 4th gen is not a pony car and definitely not a muscle car so.....?

Definitely more pony than muscle car, lightweight (around 3,500 lbs curb weight) and the LT1 & LS1 were pretty strong, from 275 all the way to 325hp, but not ridiculously powerful like the cars of today: ZL1 = 580hp, Shelby GT500 = 662hp, Challenger Hellcat = 707hp, which with that amount of power, they are in muscle car territory.

77Z85 · 08-01-2015, 11:28 PM

I don't believe my '77 RS says "Camaro" anywhere inside or out-although I could be wrong.

Johnman · 08-02-2015, 06:07 PM

It's the Dodge Challenger that is seriously under-badged. Take the Hellcat-it doesn't have a "Challenger" badge anywhere inside or outside the car. Neither does it say "Hellcat" anywhere (just a cat head symbol). No engine call-out, no nothing, not even "Hemi" (except on the valve covers, if you open the hood). On the R/T's, there is no R/T badge on the rear, making it identical looking (from that angle) to the 6 cylinder. On the other hand, my ZL1 says "Camaro" on each front fender and came with 15(!) "ZL1" badges inside and outside the car. Feast or famine, I guess.

77Z85 · 08-02-2015, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 77Z85

I don't believe my '77 RS says "Camaro" anywhere inside or out-although I could be wrong.

Forgot the glovebox door.

08-01-2015, 09:52 PM	#76
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08-01-2015, 09:19 PM	#74
Tractionless Drives: '03 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Edinburg, Texas Posts: 52	The way I've always seen it for the 60s and 70s cars: Muscle car = RWD, big, heavy 2 door body, huge engine with brute power. Excels in acceleration. Examples would be: 442, Grand Sport, Chevelle, GTO, Gran Torino, Charger, Roadrunner, etc. "Simple, big and brutal." Pony car = RWD, midsize 2 door body, engine size not all that important as long as it is quick and nimble. Camaro, Firebird, Mustang, 'Cuda, Challenger, Javelin, etc. Some big block pony cars might be considered "muscle cars" because of the brute power despite the smaller frame. " Sports car = RWD, lightweight 2 door body, powerful engine. Expensive, top of the line gizmos, and curvy sporty styling. Examples: Corvette Modern muscle is much more difficult to categorize since cars are a mixture of the old muscle and pony cars. Big blocks are gone, but the small blocks are producing insane hp. Also, cars aren't as basic and simple as 45 years ago, they now have every safety option available, power everything, leather heated seats, etc., ergo they are heavy despite having a pony car body; not as bulky as the old muscle cars. With all the amenities; comfortable and powerful, current Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers are more like Grand Tourers than Pony or Muscle cars. My .02.

08-01-2015, 11:28 PM	#78
77Z85 Drives: 2013 RY SS Conv. Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: south jersey Posts: 228	I don't believe my '77 RS says "Camaro" anywhere inside or out-although I could be wrong.

08-02-2015, 06:07 PM	#79
Johnman Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 convertible IOM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lewisville, TX Posts: 270	It's the Dodge Challenger that is seriously under-badged. Take the Hellcat-it doesn't have a "Challenger" badge anywhere inside or outside the car. Neither does it say "Hellcat" anywhere (just a cat head symbol). No engine call-out, no nothing, not even "Hemi" (except on the valve covers, if you open the hood). On the R/T's, there is no R/T badge on the rear, making it identical looking (from that angle) to the 6 cylinder. On the other hand, my ZL1 says "Camaro" on each front fender and came with 15(!) "ZL1" badges inside and outside the car. Feast or famine, I guess.

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