[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

For a few laps, till it goes into limp mode. Huge fail on Ford for not giving it coolers...a “track” car you can’t track.

...Yet again...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm saying it won't drastically alter the performance like SSFriendly is desperately hoping it will. With all the best settings on I think it will do a mid 12. I don't think they're gonna run it and do a mid 12 and then make some setting changes and bust off a 12 flat. It is a GT. Ford doesn't put much into the GT. They made it so that it'll keep up with the SS a little better than the 15-17 did. But I doubt they made it to beat the SS since then they'll be elbowing in on Shelby territory. Again, I know Mustang guys don't buy the Shelby for any performance reasons at all. They buy them because they sound good and feel good and have the Shelby name on it and they're gonna be huge collectible items worth a small fortune in the near future. But Ford is not gonna let the GT match the Shelby.

No, you said the GT350 doesn't have drag mode when its been well known it does since the reveal.

The 2018 A10 GT has already trapped 119 mph. That's got to be pretty close to the GT350s. You can doubt it all you want.

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...e-specs-page-4

The GT350 ran a 12.5 at 119 mph, there you go. The A10 was quicker and trapped at the same speed.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

No, you said the GT350 doesn't have drag mode when its been well known it does since the reveal.

The 2018 A10 GT has already trapped 119 mph. That's got to be pretty close to the GT350s. You can doubt it all you want.

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...e-specs-page-4

The GT350 ran a 12.5 at 119 mph, there you go. The A10 was quicker and trapped at the same speed.

One person has gone 119 in -1600 DA and a spinning 60ft at atco. Others went 116 stock

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

One person has gone 119 in -1600 DA and a spinning 60ft at atco. Others went 116 stock

I know it was one guy but my point is one already has. Once more people get the cars and break them in, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the 2018 GTs running similar 1/4 miles as the GT350s.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I know it was one guy but my point is one already has. Once more people get the cars and break them in, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the 2018 GTs running similar 1/4 miles as the GT350s.

I guess already doesn't mean much to me. Just that already someone ran it at one of the fastest tracks in the country in -1600.

but yeah manual to manual they will be close but trap will favor the 350. 119 in a mag test and a manual wont be touched by a gt. They will be around ~115. but I could be wrong

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

No, you said the GT350 doesn't have drag mode when its been well known it does since the reveal.

The 2018 A10 GT has already trapped 119 mph. That's got to be pretty close to the GT350s. You can doubt it all you want.

https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...e-specs-page-4

The GT350 ran a 12.5 at 119 mph, there you go. The A10 was quicker and trapped at the same speed.

I said it wasn't some kind of magical wonder that he was making it out to be. And then I said that if it was (a magical wonder like he thinks it is) then it would be in the Shelby and not the GT. And the Shelby is not doing anything drastic when put in drag mode. It does a best of 12.2 despite having much more hp than the GT. But then again I don't follow the damn GT350 anyway. You can exaggerate drag mode and put all your faith in it all you want. Like I said before, even if the GT does end up being faster than the GT350R that will just show how badly the Shelby sucks.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

One person has gone 119 in -1600 DA and a spinning 60ft at atco. Others went 116 stock

In 2-weeks 1 2018 GT has run 119-mph, in 2-years 1 SS has run 119-mph, and your point is?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

In 2-weeks 1 2018 GT has run 119-mph, in 2-years 1 SS has run 119-mph, and your point is?

And it took the GT 3 years to get this far. So what's your point?

Just because these shops are jumping out and buying up the first GTs available and immediately taking them to the track and pulling this BS doesn't mean that this was the norm when the 6th Gen SS came out. I didn't see them doing all this nonsense to the 15 GT or the 16 GT or the 17 GT when they came out either. This is a new trend so don't sit here acting like they're all doing something unique. And it don't mean shit anyway because none of us here are impressed...at all. The Camaro has been kicking the GT's tail for a long time now. So pipe down.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

In 2-weeks 1 2018 GT has run 119-mph, in 2-years 1 SS has run 119-mph, and your point is?

I just checked the fast lists. Sure enough, only one SS with a 119.6 mph but it did also have a 11.9 et. Nothing on the GT fast list.

How do you know that dozens of SSes didn't make shity, mid 12 sec runs in -1600 DA with +119 mph trap speeds? This shity GT run isn't listed.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

In 2-weeks 1 2018 GT has run 119-mph, in 2-years 1 SS has run 119-mph, and your point is?

I don’t see what the time frame has to do with anything. Today or two years from now it would be capable of that in those conditions. A guy on this very forum got his best time that day as well and has had his car almost 2 years.

For the conditions etc that trap speed is good for sure but not unexpected.

If you looked around instead of constantly wanting the Camaro to fail you’d see there are other times besides this forum as well. For example an 11.5@121 tire only and 11.8 totally stock.

With your drag race experience you should really be asking why all these shop cars even on a drag pack can’t pull better than a 1.8 60 ft. With the crazy gearing of the A10 and the rear gear that’s pretty alarming. Even with a slight trap advantage over the SS that ain’t gonna get it done. Mph don’t win anything

[newmoon]

If you can't see what having 2-weeks worth of experience with essentially an all new combination in the GT vs 2-years trial and error with the present Camaro , i don't know what else to say.

Funny you mention this 121-mph pass, given the Camaro average is roughly 115-mph there is no reason to doubt the results right? According to others in the forum poor traction results in high mph, how did this SS run that mph, it obviously hooked?

If the GT cranks out a 121-mph pass claiming to be stock what will this forum's reaction then be?

This is the way I see it now, this Mustang is faster than anyone in this forum ever expected it to be, including myself. The excuses are starting. We have only 2-weeks of testing, including dyno runs up to 430-rwhp, and 1/4 mph to 119. Nobody expected that, not even the Mustang crowd.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by newmoon

If you can't see what having 2-weeks worth of experience with essentially an all new combination in the GT vs 2-years trial and error with the present Camaro , i don't know what else to say.

Funny you mention this 121-mph pass, given the Camaro average is roughly 115-mph there is no reason to doubt the results right? According to others in the forum poor traction results in high mph, how did this SS run that mph, it obviously hooked?

If the GT cranks out a 121-mph pass claiming to be stock what will this forum's reaction then be?

This is the way I see it now, this Mustang is faster than anyone in this forum ever expected it to be, including myself. The excuses are starting. We have only 2-weeks of testing, including dyno runs up to 430-rwhp, and 1/4 mph to 119. Nobody expected that, not even the Mustang crowd.

If you can’t understand that atco in -1600 DA will produce high trap speeds and every other stock car was 116 don’t know what to tell you. 2 years trial and error ? The 119 trap pass was in April of 2016 when he just got the car and was a poor 60 ft. We had guys in the 11s by December of 15 and 12.0 first time out on street tires.
Did you know team beefcakes gt never hit 11s or that 119 even with tuning, dragpack and CAI?

It’s not faster than I expected. I been saying all along it would be at least as fast as an SS.

The SS ran that mph because it was at a fast track in Extreme negative DA. What’s so hard to understand? And even accounting for DA some tracks mph higher. I mph 2 mph more in higher DA at US 131 than I do at Milan

And still ignoring the poor low end push off the line? Not important in a drag race? Lol

And yep we had 430 rwhp SS right after launch too. It’s more of the same we’ve seen for two years but you think we should be all stunned or impressed or what ? I don’t get it

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And it took the GT 3 years to get this far. So what's your point?

Just because these shops are jumping out and buying up the first GTs available and immediately taking them to the track and pulling this BS doesn't mean that this was the norm when the 6th Gen SS came out. I didn't see them doing all this nonsense to the 15 GT or the 16 GT or the 17 GT when they came out either. This is a new trend so don't sit here acting like they're all doing something unique. And it don't mean shit anyway because none of us here are impressed...at all. The Camaro has been kicking the GT's tail for a long time now. So pipe down.

I was really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and not assume you were a tool, but you just told someone to "pipe down" on the internet

you're a Tool.

[crysalis_01]

I imagine that the comments being made are not being made in any logical attempt to cause the Camaro fandom to become awestruck or impressed... that would be a fool's errand.

I imagine they are being made simply to bring to light that this MCE has indeed brought the performance metrics higher than previously expected, by most of us. It sets no new standards, pushes no envelopes, but also no longer lags its primary competition as far as it had.

Should anyone be reveling and dancing in the streets? Probably not. But that also doesn't mean that these inprovements can be out right ignored or dismissed as just run of the mill. While yes they are, when compared to Camaro, they are a notable uptick for Mustang.

Some people get a little too excited. If they take it too far it can cause issues with those that think of liking the competition as an affront to them and their tastes. I honestly don't have a horse in this race, but from that position I can sit back and appreciate the entirety of this segment and its ever growing advancements. We should all be able to do the same and just enjoy them and enjoy discussing them, and not arguing.