Weird ergonomics of Camaro interior?

protovack · 03-14-2018, 02:36 AM

After 500 miles, something is just really sticking out to me about the interior.
Now, I love the materials, it feels premium even in my 1SS trim. I like the screen, the HVAC controls, the air vents, the wheel, and guages are great.

But I feel like the window controls, the drive mode selector, and parking brake, are too far back. Like very noticeably.

If I want to use the window controls, I have to consciously move my left elbow backwards, awkwardly, and it feels like there isn't enough room to get in there and use the window buttons. Same thing with the stuff in the center console.

It's really annoying. Still love the car, but how did they miss this? Or is there some larger ergonomic issue at stake here, that they had to make that sacrifice?

I've never been in a car ever, where this has happened.

Bigdog9586 · 03-14-2018, 04:48 AM

The stupidest engineering feat I’ve found on the Camaro is the wireless charger way back out of reach and mostly flat. One turn of a corner and you’ll be pulling over to the side of the road to dig it out from under a seat. But if you stop and think about it none of it matters since in GM’s lack of wisdom it don’t meet the wireless rules so for 99% of us it don’t work anyway.

Magnum922 · 03-14-2018, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdog9586

But if you stop and think about it none of it matters since in GM’s lack of wisdom it don’t meet the wireless rules so for 99% of us it don’t work anyway.

+1
I've tried 5 phones and nothing works on this charger. I now use it as a shelf to put my sunglasses on.

dray · 03-14-2018, 06:18 AM

Form over function, I guess. Cars that look cool aren't usually the easiest to use.

Ever see someone trying to get out of a Lamborghini? It's comical.

JT58 · 03-14-2018, 06:54 AM

The car does look so cool- in every aspect- it is one of the best looking cars out there. But in terms of function, use of controls and visibility, even my 85 C4 is better.

ssmike · 03-14-2018, 07:24 AM

When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought about the window controls. Very awkward indeed! That is really the only thing I have a complaint about so it's not much of an issue for me. I just have to contort my arm a little to reach my hand back enough to hit the buttons.

torqueaddict · 03-14-2018, 08:16 AM

I can deal with the center console, but agree about the window buttons. The shorter you are the worse it is. Overall, not annoying enough to be a bother. The most important controls while driving are well positioned.

gpskinzhut · 03-14-2018, 08:25 AM

The inner doors in general and the console as a whole seem like afterthoughts. Like they were forgotten during design and you had to monkey a bunch of shit in to fit. The window controls and pocket are too far back, (the pocket is pretty useless, I stick my phone in the pocket on my '14. In the '17 it's ... no). The console is another waste. The mode selection and ebrake and all that are fine, but rearward from there is just silliness.

None of it really detracts from my love of the car (Every time I get in or out I have to pause and mumble "god DAMN that's a sexy bitch), but it's moreso minor inconveniences.

WhyUMad1LE · 03-14-2018, 09:04 AM

Couldn't you just pull out the wireless charging pad and replace it with the cubby from the 1LS/1SS? Or is it more involved than that.

oftenimitated · 03-14-2018, 09:09 AM

I wish they would put the cupholders in front of the shifter

craigss50 · 03-14-2018, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protovack

After 500 miles, something is just really sticking out to me about the interior.
Now, I love the materials, it feels premium even in my 1SS trim. I like the screen, the HVAC controls, the air vents, the wheel, and guages are great.

But I feel like the window controls, the drive mode selector, and parking brake, are too far back. Like very noticeably.

If I want to use the window controls, I have to consciously move my left elbow backwards, awkwardly, and it feels like there isn't enough room to get in there and use the window buttons. Same thing with the stuff in the center console.

It's really annoying. Still love the car, but how did they miss this? Or is there some larger ergonomic issue at stake here, that they had to make that sacrifice?

I've never been in a car ever, where this has happened.

Premium materials? Cheap plastic everywhere. Top of dash is the worst. Our Honda Accord has much higher quality interior at almost half the cost.
Then there is the windshield fogging issue in humid conditions but for some reason I really like the car. I guess the sound, ride, handling and performance outweigh all the issues.

Tenfive · 03-14-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnum922

+1
I've tried 5 phones and nothing works on this charger. I now use it as a shelf to put my sunglasses on.

I do the same darn thing lmao .

PnCRedJwl2SS · 03-14-2018, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by protovack

I feel like the window controls, the drive mode selector, and parking brake, are too far back. Like very noticeably.

If I want to use the window controls, I have to consciously move my left elbow backwards, awkwardly, and it feels like there isn't enough room to get in there and use the window buttons. Same thing with the stuff in the center console.

It's really annoying. Still love the car, but how did they miss this? Or is there some larger ergonomic issue at stake here, that they had to make that sacrifice?

I've never been in a car ever, where this has happened.

I’m a little surprised to see this...for my seating position, the window controls, drive mode, and parking brake fall right where I want them. No need to consciously move my arms rearward to reach them. I’m 5’11 and my seat is back a bit more than 3/4 full travel and seat back is almost fully reclined ( but not quite).

I do agree the center console compartment is awkward to open/access and not much room in there, but I can fit my iPhone 6 Plus or my Android LG V20 in there.

My biggest ergonomic gripe is lack of a grab bar on the passenger side and no coat hanger hook in back seat area. Why not?

GM Lifer · 03-14-2018, 01:32 PM

My list of ergonomic gripes:

1. My right elbow falls not on the center console pad, but on the cup holders.

2. With my right elbow resting on the cup holders and my hand on the shifter, it's easy to unintentionally hit the drive mode button and change drive modes.

3. Just delete the back seat, for Pete's sake. I've been back there precisely once in nearly two years. The back of my driver's seat isn't even two inches away from the front of the back seat.

4. The super-high beltline makes using a drive-through ATM nearly impossible.

5. The USB ports in the center console are almost impossible to access while driving.

But DANG, does this car ever look good/drive great/sound awesome, which makes me not care too much about any of that stuff.

03-14-2018, 02:36 AM	#1
protovack Drives: 2019 2LT 2.0T M6 Riverside Blue Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: WA Posts: 847	Weird ergonomics of Camaro interior? After 500 miles, something is just really sticking out to me about the interior. Now, I love the materials, it feels premium even in my 1SS trim. I like the screen, the HVAC controls, the air vents, the wheel, and guages are great. But I feel like the window controls, the drive mode selector, and parking brake, are too far back. Like very noticeably. If I want to use the window controls, I have to consciously move my left elbow backwards, awkwardly, and it feels like there isn't enough room to get in there and use the window buttons. Same thing with the stuff in the center console. It's really annoying. Still love the car, but how did they miss this? Or is there some larger ergonomic issue at stake here, that they had to make that sacrifice? I've never been in a car ever, where this has happened.

03-14-2018, 06:54 AM	#5
JT58 Drives: Former 2016 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 760	The car does look so cool- in every aspect- it is one of the best looking cars out there. But in terms of function, use of controls and visibility, even my 85 C4 is better. __________________ 2006 C6 Corvette Manual, 2019 Silverado, 1997 Jeep Wrangler

03-14-2018, 08:16 AM	#7
torqueaddict Drives: Tesla M3 LR-AWD [Former 1SS owner] Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Miami Posts: 950	I can deal with the center console, but agree about the window buttons. The shorter you are the worse it is. Overall, not annoying enough to be a bother. The most important controls while driving are well positioned. Last edited by torqueaddict; 03-14-2018 at 12:14 PM.

03-14-2018, 08:25 AM	#8
gpskinzhut Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,959 View My Garage	The inner doors in general and the console as a whole seem like afterthoughts. Like they were forgotten during design and you had to monkey a bunch of shit in to fit. The window controls and pocket are too far back, (the pocket is pretty useless, I stick my phone in the pocket on my '14. In the '17 it's ... no). The console is another waste. The mode selection and ebrake and all that are fine, but rearward from there is just silliness. None of it really detracts from my love of the car (Every time I get in or out I have to pause and mumble "god DAMN that's a sexy bitch), but it's moreso minor inconveniences. __________________ 2017 ZL1 A10 2017 2SS M6: (SOLD) \|\| 2014 2LT Convertible: (SOLD) \|\| 2010 2LT M6 Supercharged:(SOLD) \|\| 1987 IROC-Z 5.0 M5: (SOLD)

03-14-2018, 04:48 AM	#2
Bigdog9586 Drives: 2016 Z06 coupe Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Mi Posts: 280	The stupidest engineering feat I’ve found on the Camaro is the wireless charger way back out of reach and mostly flat. One turn of a corner and you’ll be pulling over to the side of the road to dig it out from under a seat. But if you stop and think about it none of it matters since in GM’s lack of wisdom it don’t meet the wireless rules so for 99% of us it don’t work anyway.

03-14-2018, 06:18 AM	#4
dray Drives: 2017 2SS A8 NGM, 2012 Yamaha FZ8 Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Ohio Posts: 189	Form over function, I guess. Cars that look cool aren't usually the easiest to use. Ever see someone trying to get out of a Lamborghini? It's comical.

03-14-2018, 07:24 AM	#6
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,840	When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought about the window controls. Very awkward indeed! That is really the only thing I have a complaint about so it's not much of an issue for me. I just have to contort my arm a little to reach my hand back enough to hit the buttons.

03-14-2018, 09:04 AM	#9
WhyUMad1LE Drives: 17 SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 1,920	Couldn't you just pull out the wireless charging pad and replace it with the cubby from the 1LS/1SS? Or is it more involved than that.

03-14-2018, 09:09 AM	#10
oftenimitated Drives: 2004 Honda Civic+2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: South Vienna OH Posts: 396 View My Garage	I wish they would put the cupholders in front of the shifter

03-14-2018, 01:32 PM	#14
GM Lifer Drives: 2016 Camaro SS in Red Hot Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 275	My list of ergonomic gripes: 1. My right elbow falls not on the center console pad, but on the cup holders. 2. With my right elbow resting on the cup holders and my hand on the shifter, it's easy to unintentionally hit the drive mode button and change drive modes. 3. Just delete the back seat, for Pete's sake. I've been back there precisely once in nearly two years. The back of my driver's seat isn't even two inches away from the front of the back seat. 4. The super-high beltline makes using a drive-through ATM nearly impossible. 5. The USB ports in the center console are almost impossible to access while driving. But DANG, does this car ever look good/drive great/sound awesome, which makes me not care too much about any of that stuff.

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