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If you think that I meant different cars then I can take your approach and say I meant the V6 was in a mini cooper and the I-4 I was thinking of was in an International School Bus. I can play your silly semantics game too! Wheeee! It's fun to intentionally misinterpret people to make it look like I won an argument!! I never tried this before, and it's additcive! Give me some more posts to dismantle! This is fun! |
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02-15-2013, 10:11 PM | #282 | |
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Ever heard of "New Coke", "Windows Vista", "Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, 3" and the list goes on! |
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02-15-2013, 10:26 PM | #283 | |
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I happen to live in one of the highest taxed states in the union, so I get a ding there, and I can't reloacate at the moment because of family details. Where I live and work I need a 4WD truck/suv with offroad type capabilities, so I have to budget for 2 personal vehicles. I could easily buy all the cars you have if I wanted to, but my needs are different than yours. I happen to also contribute heavily to my own personal retirement account, because Medicare and Social Security are GOING BANKRUPT. What I completely reject is the same idiots who have destroyed the economy, and devalued my savings, and are bankrupting my govt. run retirement "insurance" are now putting a gun to the head of companies who makes things that I wish to buy and FORCING them to make them MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. To make matters WORSE, they go around pretending that their actions are noble and beneficial, and 51% of the people fall for it. |
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02-15-2013, 10:45 PM | #286 | |
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If you think we shoud all go back to driving cars for the with power like that of cars 20 years ago (taking 20 years to get back to current power), then CAFE is your ticket. I think many of the people here must have been born in the mid-late 80's and came of driving age in the late 90's or early 2000's, and completly missed the dreck we had in the mid 70's and 80's. They have NO CLUE how bad CAFE was for performance, so they don't know enough to oppose it. |
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Performance started taking a hit around 1971, when emission standards was increased and low lead fuel was introduced. After that is when they started to make standards for MPG. The problem we had was the lack of technology to keep up. We have come a long way since then, and far surpassed the performance levels prior to the new standards due mainly through new technology.
Also my moving to Florida had nothing to do with lack of state taxes, at the time I didn't even know about the tax thing here.
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Your statements are not to be believed, if they were--my father in law dying of cancer and my mother dying of a heart attack in the same year must have been a fantastic change. I'm sure all the people who lost money when Lehman crashed or my fellow soldiers who were maimed last year from rocket attacks and IEDs are thinking how awesome it is that their having legs thing changed. I DO remember the '70s. I am NOT a hippie nor do I expect things for free. The discussion was about 4 cylinder Camaros. This is a Camaro forum, I would have never thought you'd find so many Camaro fans who attack those who like V8 engines, and advocate for govt. regulation to turn muscle cars into econo green low displacement hamster engined smart cars. But I guess thats a change too. If we embrace and accept every change for the worse, nothing will ever improve and we will doom ourselves to a permanent downward spiral.
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If people of my complexion would have embraced things they couldn't change, I'd probably be picking cotton somewhere.
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02-16-2013, 05:15 AM | #290 | |
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Allllllll I was saying is that if you put the 2.5L in the car it would likely perform better than the 82 POS powered Camaro. Anything else you are pulling from my post is you jumping to an incorrect conclusion. But lets just ask, since you seam to want this to be about government intervention in our lives and not just "why would anyone want a 4 cylinder in a Camaro". At what point should the government not regulate our transportation? Should you be required to have lights to drive more safely and so others can see you? (FMVSS regulation) Should you have mirrors in order to safely opperate your vehicle and not damage others? (FMVSS regulation) Should you have brakes to safely stop and an acclerator that doesn't stick? (FMVSS regulations). Should you have the confidence that the Chinese should be able come here and sell whatever hooptie mobile they want with disregard to basic automotive safety? Or should it just be a blanking free for all and you can drive whatever the hell you want because it's a free market? How about loads on big trucks? Should they be required to meet certain safety regulations so you can be safe? (Gov. Regs). Should there be a speed limit? Where is that line? And don't jump to conclusions on my post, just comment on if truly believe it should be a wild west free for all on the roads.
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02-16-2013, 08:37 AM | #293 | |
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Gee Beav ... Nothing like reading between the lines and taking things out of context ... Never once did I say ALL change is good. Never once did I say a change today would make a difference better or worse tomorrow. Some changes take a longer period of time to correct. I will however state, never once did I say V8's sucked and I didn't like them. I was born and raised in Detroit, and my life revolved around the auto industry. I also was a strong advocate for the street scenes on Woodward Ave. and Gratiot ... My whole point in this entire thread is it's not your place or mine to say someone can't or shouldn't want a 2.0T in a Camaro. Who cares if the ZL1 cost extra taxes, most that can afford one this is a non issue. I stand behind my statement that you change the things you can, and embrace the things you can't. I lost a lot of friends in the late 60's and early 70's that were drafted into a war we didn't belong in. But from all of that there were lessons learned, that are applied today. You know nothing about me, I was a very big into anti government. I was at every protest and sit in I could get to. If you want to call me an elitist because I'm able to make it in life, and am responsible for my own destiny or demise so be it.
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this thread started about 4 cylinder Camaros, and we all have opinions on it. Yours are valid but so are mine. You prefer a small energy efficient Kia type entry level Camaro, some on here prefer a Honda accord or nissan Altima style SS. I prefer the reason I bought this car in the first place. GM and the Govt. will do what they do. You are correct-- they had a 4 cylinder Camaro and they had underperforming weak sister V8s. They also discontinued the Camaro, and they went bankrupt. When they advertised the iron duke, they (like now ). Praised the 4cylinder engine. They didn't say " this will be a piece of crap for entry level sales purposes." If they choose to do what many here seem to advocate; making the entry level car an econo box and the SS a Honda accord I will not buy GM, much less Chevy. (And I love Chevy's) So to conclude, the Govt. can make and should make regulations, but not onerous ones or self serving ones or unnecessary ones.
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