Disappointed at no 7 speed manual?

VADER SS L99 · 05-24-2015, 05:10 PM

I keep reading that people are disappointed that the 6th gen is not getting the TR-6070 7 speed in favor of the TR-6060 6 speed. Why is this? Did you think it had better gearing for performance? Did you just want 3 overdrive gears? Did you think it was a stronger trans? Does it shift better? Did you want it for better mpg?

I bet most of you thought that the 7 speed had more forward gears and better ratios for performance. I'm here to tell you that the 7 speed has 4 forward gears just like the 6 speed. The 7 speed just has a extra overdrive.

Look at the 7 speed ratios

1st-2.97
2nd-2.07
3rd-1.43
4th-1.00
5th-.71
6th-.57
7th-.48

Now look at the 6 speed ratios

1st-3.01
2nd-2.07
3rd-1.43
4th-1.00
5th-.84
6th-.57

As you can see the gearing is almost identical other than the fact that the 6th speed has a little stronger 1st gear and no 7th gear. Torque capacity of the 7speed is only 20ftlbs better. Considering the TR-6060 has gone in such cars as the ZL1 and GT-500 I think it will be plenty strong for a 6th gen SS. As far as shifting, well I wouldn't know. I guess you would have to drive a C7 and then a ATS-V back to back. The only real thing I see it helping is mpg and that's a maybe.

GretchenGotGrowl · 05-24-2015, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I keep reading that people are disappointed that the 6th gen is not getting the TR-6070 7 speed in favor of the TR-6060 6 speed. Why is this? Did you think it had better gearing for performance? Did you just want 3 overdrive gears? Did you think it was a stronger trans? Does it shift better? Did you want it for better mpg?

I bet most of you thought that the 7 speed had more forward gears and better ratios for performance. I'm here to tell you that the 7 speed has 4 forward gears just like the 6 speed. The 7 speed just has a extra overdrive.

Look at the 7 speed ratios

1st-2.97
2nd-2.07
3rd-1.43
4th-1.00
5th-.71
6th-.57
7th-.48

Now look at the 6 speed ratios

1st-3.01
2nd-2.07
3rd-1.43
4th-1.00
5th-.84
6th-.57

As you can see the gearing is almost identical other than the fact that the 6th speed has a little stronger 1st gear and no 7th gear. Torque capacity of the 7speed is only 20ftlbs better. Considering the TR-6060 has gone in such cars as the ZL1 and GT-500 I think it will be plenty strong for a 6th gen SS. As far as shifting, well I wouldn't know. I guess you would have to drive a C7 and then a ATS-V back to back. The only real thing I see it helping is mpg and that's a maybe.

You have to also factor in the final drive ratio. The 6th Gen will have 3.73:1 vs the 5th Gen 3.45:1. That will give the new setup lower overall gearing 1-6 and allow one to keep it in the power band more easily. I was very surprised the aren't offering the 6070 the first year, but I think they will in 2017.

VADER SS L99 · 05-24-2015, 05:34 PM

Yeah I was just speaking in terms of transmission vs transmission and why I see so many say they would rather have the 7 speed.

Jeffro19 · 05-24-2015, 09:09 PM

I think most people wanted the 7 spd Manual just for the cool factor of having it. I admit I wanted to just to say it had a 7 spd manual. But I agree it will prob come next year.

shinzon · 05-24-2015, 09:17 PM

as a zl1 owner I would love a 7th gear on the highway going 90

Tampa Tuning · 05-24-2015, 09:25 PM

It will have it in the next year or two

Number 3 · 05-24-2015, 09:45 PM

Likely being saved for 1LE or better yet and more likely........Z/28.

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-24-2015, 09:58 PM

I thought it was an issue fitting in the chassis etc? Maybe they just need more time...

KarFan · 05-24-2015, 10:19 PM

According to Aaron Link, Camaro lead development engineer, when asked about this at the unveiling stated the 7speed manual didnt fit in the tunnel.

VADER SS L99 · 05-24-2015, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarFan

According to Aaron Link, Camaro lead development engineer, when asked about this at the unveiling stated the 7speed manual didnt fit in the tunnel.

Makes sense to me . ATS-V didn't get it either.

Number 3 · 05-25-2015, 06:57 AM

Are transmission dimensions listed anywhere?

I'm not really disappointed it's not in the Camaro. Would have been nice to have the Corveet power train with a manual.

Dfault · 05-25-2015, 07:52 AM

I don't want a 7 speed so I'm very happy it was left out

garfin · 05-25-2015, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarFan

According to Aaron Link, Camaro lead development engineer, when asked about this at the unveiling stated the 7speed manual didnt fit in the tunnel.

Yes, I was told as well at the unveil that the 7-speed definitely does not fit.

Best regards,

Elie

ssmike · 05-25-2015, 08:00 AM

I'm disappointed only because I never liked the TR6060 in my 2010 5th gen SS. I'm not looking forward to it in a 6th gen. Hopefully though it's been improved over the years to reduce the notchy 2nd and 3rd gears.

05-24-2015, 05:10 PM	#1
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Disappointed at no 7 speed manual? I keep reading that people are disappointed that the 6th gen is not getting the TR-6070 7 speed in favor of the TR-6060 6 speed. Why is this? Did you think it had better gearing for performance? Did you just want 3 overdrive gears? Did you think it was a stronger trans? Does it shift better? Did you want it for better mpg? I bet most of you thought that the 7 speed had more forward gears and better ratios for performance. I'm here to tell you that the 7 speed has 4 forward gears just like the 6 speed. The 7 speed just has a extra overdrive. Look at the 7 speed ratios 1st-2.97 2nd-2.07 3rd-1.43 4th-1.00 5th-.71 6th-.57 7th-.48 Now look at the 6 speed ratios 1st-3.01 2nd-2.07 3rd-1.43 4th-1.00 5th-.84 6th-.57 As you can see the gearing is almost identical other than the fact that the 6th speed has a little stronger 1st gear and no 7th gear. Torque capacity of the 7speed is only 20ftlbs better. Considering the TR-6060 has gone in such cars as the ZL1 and GT-500 I think it will be plenty strong for a 6th gen SS. As far as shifting, well I wouldn't know. I guess you would have to drive a C7 and then a ATS-V back to back. The only real thing I see it helping is mpg and that's a maybe. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

05-24-2015, 05:34 PM	#3
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Yeah I was just speaking in terms of transmission vs transmission and why I see so many say they would rather have the 7 speed. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

05-24-2015, 09:09 PM	#4
Jeffro19 Drives: 2018 ZL1 6M, Silverado High Country Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 2,101	I think most people wanted the 7 spd Manual just for the cool factor of having it. I admit I wanted to just to say it had a 7 spd manual. But I agree it will prob come next year. __________________ Previous Camaro's - 2002 Z28 6 spd manual, T tops, Sebring Silver - 2010 2SS 6 spd manual, Cyber Gray Metallic Current Vehicles - 2018 ZL1 Red Hot 6 spd manual, Carbon Hood, Sunroof 2019 Silverado High Country, Daily Driver

05-24-2015, 09:17 PM	#5
shinzon Night Fury Drives: 2014 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Isle of Birk Posts: 747	as a zl1 owner I would love a 7th gear on the highway going 90 __________________ 2014 Black ZL1 - Toothless - Previous Lovers :2014 1LE , 2010 2SS RS,2004 GTO, 2000 Camaro SS x 2

05-24-2015, 09:45 PM	#7
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	Likely being saved for 1LE or better yet and more likely........Z/28. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

05-24-2015, 09:25 PM	#6
Tampa Tuning Account Suspended Drives: TAMPA TUNING FACEBOOK & INSTAGRAM Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 3,044	It will have it in the next year or two

05-24-2015, 09:58 PM	#8
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,407	I thought it was an issue fitting in the chassis etc? Maybe they just need more time...

05-24-2015, 10:19 PM	#9
KarFan Drives: 2023 SGM Camaro 2SS 1LE 6M Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 575	According to Aaron Link, Camaro lead development engineer, when asked about this at the unveiling stated the 7speed manual didnt fit in the tunnel.

05-25-2015, 06:57 AM	#11
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	Are transmission dimensions listed anywhere? I'm not really disappointed it's not in the Camaro. Would have been nice to have the Corveet power train with a manual. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

05-25-2015, 07:52 AM	#12
Dfault Drives: 2014 Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 989	I don't want a 7 speed so I'm very happy it was left out

05-25-2015, 08:00 AM	#14
ssmike BL1ZZRD Drives: '16 Camaro 2SS, '20 Equinox Redline Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 7,840	I'm disappointed only because I never liked the TR6060 in my 2010 5th gen SS. I'm not looking forward to it in a 6th gen. Hopefully though it's been improved over the years to reduce the notchy 2nd and 3rd gears.

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