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Old 03-04-2013, 11:51 AM   #85
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"Usually" being the key word. Currently, AFM is programmed to only activate if a given set of circumstances are true, like speed, load, throttle position...very similar to the logic that makes skip-shift (CAGS) work.

It sounds as though this new AFM is something quite special in terms of effectiveness...I can only imagine that means, partially, it's working more often...so that could be bad in a spirited-driving situation. Wouldn't surprise me one bit that engineers made a point to offer a choice, so Corvette wouldn't get bad press from enthusiasts...
"IF" to even limit AFM in future Camaros can only be done by "turning off the nannies"/ a "competitive" mode...lol...could spell disaster for a lot of drivers who just want to get away from AFM...(poor Fbodfather will really get stressed out)...lol...

Hopefully it's something less "radical" in Camaros than going "track-mode"...
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:03 PM   #86
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"IF" to even limit AFM in future Camaros can only be done by "turning off the nannies"/ a "competitive" mode...lol...could spell disaster for a lot of drivers who just want to get away from AFM...(poor Fbodfather will really get stressed out)...lol...

Hopefully it's something less "radical" in Camaros than going "track-mode"...
It's more than we have now, isn't it? Can't see how much worse the outcry could get.

And it makes perfect sense to me....why wouldn't you want better fuel economy when you're just tooling around, or cruising down a highway. Principle? Silly argument, imo....sound? 100% fair - but it appears as though this has been thought of on the Corvette, too.

If you're not just rolling to the grocery store - chances are you'd be in sport mode, to have some fun...at which point AFM is gone, or greatly reduced, whatever the case may be...

"The future is now", as they say....drivers who just want to get away from fuel-saving tech either need a time machine, or a lot of letters to elected individuals.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:16 PM   #87
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It's more than we have now, isn't it? Can't see how much worse the outcry could get.

And it makes perfect sense to me....why wouldn't you want better fuel economy when you're just tooling around, or cruising down a highway. Principle? Silly argument, imo....sound? 100% fair - but it appears as though this has been thought of on the Corvette, too.

If you're not just rolling to the grocery store - chances are you'd be in sport mode, to have some fun...at which point AFM is gone, or greatly reduced, whatever the case may be...

"The future is now", as they say....drivers who just want to get away from fuel-saving tech either need a time machine, or a lot of letters to elected individuals.
...Sounds like a good compromise/"pacifier"...given the "situation"...lol...I'd say if it flies with the 'Vette crowd, should be good enough down the road for the Camaros...
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:01 PM   #88
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Well there should be a 3 mode switch to be honest for AFM, or 2 mode and the 3rd engages with cruise control. There is almost no reason to have 8 cylinders pumping on cruise control. Mode 1-Sport(AFM off) Mode 2-Standard(AFM works as advertised under specified parameters) and Mode 3 "economy" or "cruise"(uses 4 cylinders for city driving or cruise control) Like was previously stated, if I can get 30+ MPG on the highway in a V8 Camaro why wouldn't I?
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"Usually" being the key word. Currently, AFM is programmed to only activate if a given set of circumstances are true, like speed, load, throttle position...very similar to the logic that makes skip-shift (CAGS) work.

It sounds as though this new AFM is something quite special in terms of effectiveness...I can only imagine that means, partially, it's working more often...so that could be bad in a spirited-driving situation. Wouldn't surprise me one bit that engineers made a point to offer a choice, so Corvette wouldn't get bad press from enthusiasts...

Still looking for where I saw that...
If the AFM was configured to only kick in when it sensed (among other things) a steady speed for 3-4 min, then I doubt like heck you would ever encounter it at a track.
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If the AFM was configured to only kick in when it sensed (among other things) a steady speed for 3-4 min, then I doubt like heck you would ever encounter it at a track.
But it's not like that...the current AFM system is primarily programmed based on engine load, not time.

Waiting several minutes would undermine the very principle of saving fuel.
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Ignorance mode here....AFM is a shortcut to reach fuel economy standards, leaving WOT or better than part throttle to make the power we want. This technology has been around for decades. Drop cylinders at cruise. If we want HP without some premium price/surcharge there will be sacrifices.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:12 AM   #92
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But it's not like that...the current AFM system is primarily programmed based on engine load, not time.

Waiting several minutes would undermine the very principle of saving fuel.
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Ignorance mode here....AFM is a shortcut to reach fuel economy standards, leaving WOT or better than part throttle to make the power we want. This technology has been around for decades. Drop cylinders at cruise. If we want HP without some premium price/surcharge there will be sacrifices.
...Been a few interesting posts in C7 forum regarding AFM for the LT1...
...May be harder to tune out, if desired...No feedback on manual trans AFM yet, of course...
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:07 PM   #93
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LT4 will probably work its way into the 6th gen eventually.
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I think the rumors about the LS7 are more for the final year(s) of the 5th Gen. I think (read hope) the LS7 will have it's swan song with the Camaro, but I'm pretty sure its on the way out.

I don't really know what to expect with the LS3. I don't think it will go away immediately, but GM is going the migrate everything over to the Gen V motors at some point. We will probably see the LS3 and L99 through the rest of the 5th Gen Camaro runs. We may see the L99 popup in some other platforms before it is retired. It's all really hard to guess, but we know ultimately GM will replace the Gen IV motors with the Gen V motors.
Gretch, hat's off for the LS7 call in the 5thGen Z/28...I would think this Z/28 and the LS7 would be carried into the 6thGen now...(hopefully)..
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Old 03-27-2013, 01:44 PM   #94
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Gretch, hat's off for the LS7 call in the 5thGen Z/28...I would think this Z/28 and the LS7 would be carried into the 6thGen now...(hopefully)..
Now how do I convince the wive I need two Camaros???
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:02 PM   #95
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...Been a few interesting posts in C7 forum regarding AFM for the LT1...
...May be harder to tune out, if desired...No feedback on manual trans AFM yet, of course...
New info from the Corvette forum regarding the LT-1 V8 and AFM...

Apparently the new Vettes will have several driving modes available to the driver...(No news there except now they incorporate AFM functions)...

Only one of several modes uses AFM...It is off in all others, including the "default" mode...Great news for the Vette guys, but still unknown whether or not the 6thGen Camaros will have a driving mode selection similar that will keep AFM off for the automatic trans or the manual trans or both...

It would be a definite up-grade for the Camaros to have AFM be a driver option like the Vettes...
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Anyone see how E85 affects these new engines (V6 and V8)??

Saw this in another section...not sure how official it is but apparantly E85 is tuned aggresively from the factory. We've seen custom tunes like this for the V6 for E85 that made good power results, but I don't recall seeing a factory Gas/E85 capable tune that made more power while on E85.

4.3 V6 Stock power: 285hp 305TQ. E85: 297HP 330TQ
5.3 V8 stock power: 355HP 383TQ. E85: 380HP 416TQ

So I'm thinking the 6.2 on E85 factory tune could see nearly 500HP 500TQ???
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:31 AM   #97
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Anyone see how E85 affects these new engines (V6 and V8)??

Saw this in another section...not sure how official it is but apparantly E85 is tuned aggresively from the factory. We've seen custom tunes like this for the V6 for E85 that made good power results, but I don't recall seeing a factory Gas/E85 capable tune that made more power while on E85.

4.3 V6 Stock power: 285hp 305TQ. E85: 297HP 330TQ
5.3 V8 stock power: 355HP 383TQ. E85: 380HP 416TQ

So I'm thinking the 6.2 on E85 factory tune could see nearly 500HP 500TQ???
Wouldn't that be a hoot?...lol...I thought this E85 was supposed to be terrible....The gas blend stuff is a mystery to me...
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Gretch, hat's off for the LS7 call in the 5thGen Z/28...I would think this Z/28 and the LS7 would be carried into the 6thGen now...(hopefully)..
Now that would be VERY interesting considering the the LS7 is a gen IV engine and theyre moving to gen V engines.
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