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happycamper · 02-07-2011, 03:06 PM

I wonder if this car, with that rear-end ratio, is optimized for the rental car market.

The only bad thing I can think of is someone rents the car, is disapponted with the performance, and conlcudes that all camaros are like that.

A potential benefit to GM is higher MPG cars to help their CAFE numbers.

cntryman77 · 02-08-2011, 06:10 AM

What I'm wondering is if you're someone like me that likes the non-spoiler look, what happens if you want an automatic and no spoiler? Personally, I love manual & will never own another automatic transmission if I can help it, but what if someone wanted this? It sounds like the spoiler & gear are part of the package not options. I know you can't please everyone, but it is something to think about.

John Deere Boy · 02-08-2011, 06:19 AM

I don't like these designated trim levels because you can't option a car out the way you want. For example, you can't get cloth seats in an SS with the premium sound system. And i can't order a 2SS without the stupid backup sensors that put holes in the rear bumper. Come on, GM, let us choose our options!

garcmol · 02-08-2011, 06:27 AM

CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) requirements. If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of car and/or truck production falls below the defined standard, the manufacturer must pay a penalty, currently $5.50 USD per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market. What that stardard is, I don't know. But manufacturers must meet it, therefore it's a must to appeal to the economically minded consumer as well. My .02

soniccj7 · 02-08-2011, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Deere Boy

I don't like these designated trim levels because you can't option a car out the way you want. For example, you can't get cloth seats in an SS with the premium sound system. And i can't order a 2SS without the stupid backup sensors that put holes in the rear bumper. Come on, GM, let us choose our options!

I have a 1SS with cloth seats and premium sound.

John Deere Boy · 02-08-2011, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniccj7

I have a 1SS with cloth seats and premium sound.

Realllly.....is there a way to get a 2SS without the backup sensors then? (I want leather and HUD but no holes in the bumper)

stikSS · 02-08-2011, 07:20 AM

Sounds good... I never understood why the spoiler wasn't just standard on all the models, I guess some people don't really care, but I think as a mass produced part, it would've dressed up the LS models with little additional cost.

Zabo · 02-08-2011, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Deere Boy

Realllly.....is there a way to get a 2SS without the backup sensors then? (I want leather and HUD but no holes in the bumper)

Easy, have the dealer disconnect the sensors and swap out the bumper for a 1SS bumper.

FenwickHockey65 · 02-08-2011, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Deere Boy

I don't like these designated trim levels because you can't option a car out the way you want. For example, you can't get cloth seats in an SS with the premium sound system. And i can't order a 2SS without the stupid backup sensors that put holes in the rear bumper. Come on, GM, let us choose our options!

The more options GM lets you choose, the higher the probability that something will go wrong in production.

The trim levels are there to streamline the production process.

PieNsky · 02-08-2011, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

The more options GM lets you choose, the higher the probability that something will go wrong in production.

The trim levels are there to streamline the production process.

And profit.

The build sheet instructs the assembler what to put, or not install, on the vehicle as it travels to each process. I suppose that the manufactors does get less in package vs the cost of each if you get a loaded car or truck. But you have to buy a package to get something you may only wanted by itself.

Russell James · 02-08-2011, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happycamper

I wonder if this car, with that rear-end ratio, is optimized for the rental car market.

The only bad thing I can think of is someone rents the car, is disapponted with the performance, and conlcudes that all camaros are like that.

A potential benefit to GM is higher MPG cars to help their CAFE numbers.

Optimized for CAFE and MPG shoppers. If your into performance, the last thing you want is an MPG gear ratio. If you into lugging an engine at super low RPMs to squeese out 1 more mpg, this gear is for you.

FC_GIBB · 02-08-2011, 08:53 AM

I have gotten nearly 32mpg in my old manual LS (flat roads staying under 2k rpm accelerating)

Dan@showstopper · 02-08-2011, 09:05 AM

Well this proves my insider info is correct. Good idea GM, 30 mpg is huge.

TooCool5 · 02-08-2011, 09:21 AM

I have a 2LS. I get 32 MPG on a good day in the Summer. 3.27 gear woo hoo!

02-08-2011, 06:10 AM	#16
cntryman77 Drives: 2010 Camaro LS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newton Falls, OH Posts: 1,092	What I'm wondering is if you're someone like me that likes the non-spoiler look, what happens if you want an automatic and no spoiler? Personally, I love manual & will never own another automatic transmission if I can help it, but what if someone wanted this? It sounds like the spoiler & gear are part of the package not options. I know you can't please everyone, but it is something to think about. __________________ My build thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126631

02-08-2011, 06:27 AM	#18
garcmol Drives: 10 1LT SIM; 91 B4C sleeper Z Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ft. Mitchell, Alabama Posts: 7,199	CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) requirements. If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of car and/or truck production falls below the defined standard, the manufacturer must pay a penalty, currently $5.50 USD per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market. What that stardard is, I don't know. But manufacturers must meet it, therefore it's a must to appeal to the economically minded consumer as well. My .02 __________________ Pedders Pace Car Package, Injen CAI, Flowmaster AT, AAC Lighting, ZL1 fascia/skirts, RKSport Ram Air hood, vented fenders, painted stripes (Gary's Customz), Honor and Valor badged (Thank you, John)

02-08-2011, 07:20 AM	#21
stikSS 9691 & 97586 Drives: 2010 SS, 1999 SS, 1993 Z28 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sanford, NC Posts: 2,814 View My Garage	Sounds good... I never understood why the spoiler wasn't just standard on all the models, I guess some people don't really care, but I think as a mass produced part, it would've dressed up the LS models with little additional cost. __________________ http://www.camarosouth.com camarosouth@hotmail.com

02-08-2011, 08:53 AM	#26
FC_GIBB Drives: 2012 Impala LTZ Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Greenbackville, VA Posts: 346 View My Garage	I have gotten nearly 32mpg in my old manual LS (flat roads staying under 2k rpm accelerating) __________________ A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "'The United States of America", for an amount "up to, and including my life". That is honor, and there are way to many people in this country who no longer understand it.

02-08-2011, 09:21 AM	#28
TooCool5 Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LS 3.6 LLT V6 325 HP Join Date: May 2009 Location: LS Posts: 4,242 View My Garage	I have a 2LS. I get 32 MPG on a good day in the Summer. 3.27 gear woo hoo! __________________ 2010 Camaro Auto, Inferno Orange, Titanium Interior, Gearhead Wheels AIRAID CAI Last edited by TooCool5; 02-08-2011 at 08:19 PM.

02-07-2011, 03:06 PM	#15
happycamper Drives: 2012 2SS/RS M6 AGM Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 221	I wonder if this car, with that rear-end ratio, is optimized for the rental car market. The only bad thing I can think of is someone rents the car, is disapponted with the performance, and conlcudes that all camaros are like that. A potential benefit to GM is higher MPG cars to help their CAFE numbers.

02-08-2011, 06:19 AM	#17
John Deere Boy I bleed green Drives: '11 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Centerville, Indiana Posts: 462 View My Garage	I don't like these designated trim levels because you can't option a car out the way you want. For example, you can't get cloth seats in an SS with the premium sound system. And i can't order a 2SS without the stupid backup sensors that put holes in the rear bumper. Come on, GM, let us choose our options!

02-08-2011, 09:05 AM	#27
Dan@showstopper Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	Well this proves my insider info is correct. Good idea GM, 30 mpg is huge.

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