Should’ve bought an automatic

Drnick · 02-25-2022, 11:46 AM

All my previous sports cars have been
Manuals, except the Supra, I’ve had Z28
C5 ZO6, 300ZX, etc…. But this clutch
On this ZL1 is on/off not progressive
I’m assuming the flywheel is lightweight,
Like the c5 zo6,and contributed to its
“Finicky “ feel, and it seems the low
Idle (600 rpm) also contributes, is this
Clutch/flywheel setup somewhat different
From the past GM vehicles I’ve mentioned?

zxspeedspec · 02-25-2022, 11:54 AM

The ZL1 needs a throttle controller. Without it the anti-stall really ****s with taking off from a stop.

nighttowl · 02-25-2022, 12:11 PM

No problems here, although I've always had a manual car and this is my 3rd consecutive Camaro.
It will stall for sure if you let out the clutch at an idle.

Big Mikey · 02-25-2022, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nighttowl

No problems here, although I've always had a manual car and this is my 3rd consecutive Camaro.
It will stall for sure if you let out the clutch at an idle.

Clutch engagement is fine for me too. Similar to Nighttowl, all of my daily drivers have been manual transmissions.

There have been plenty of people complain about the engagement feel though, so you're not the only one. I'm not aware of anything special/unique about the clutch system...

raptor5244 · 02-25-2022, 12:37 PM

I love driving manuals but this is the one car I made the decision on to get the A10. I am sure you can adapt to the clutch and its character like any car but like you said the clutch engagement characteristics not very forgiving. On the ZL1 I think the tall gearing plays a role as well since you need to give just the right amount of throttle. It takes more focus on getting it just right.

It's funny, I had a Miata ND, which is a riot to shift on the street. Very short gearing. Mazda programmed the car such that when you depress the clutch it raises the RPM about 200 rpm and you can just let the clutch fairly slowly with no throttle if you wanted.

MartinLe · 02-25-2022, 01:06 PM

My stock clutch is smooth.

pauly1119 · 02-25-2022, 01:10 PM

Mine is smooth as butter.

serper3 · 02-25-2022, 01:33 PM

the stock clutch is fine.

i do think the car feels a bit better, takes off smoother in track mode, sport 1 or 2. less of the nannies intervening. more apparent when you are trying to be even slightly aggressive with the acceleration.

I have noticed this same issue with other cars also. I used to have to turn off TC on my 03 cobra every time i got into it, but it was much more pronounced with that car.

Drnick · 02-25-2022, 01:43 PM

Thx for the input,it would be nice if it did have some type of throttle
Controller to raise idle rpm’s to 800 while depressing clutch, or for that matter
Just raise idle, it’s very disconcerting when it craps out in traffic,and u
Have to step on brake to restart! Again, should’ve got an auto
But u really can’t become “Part of the car” with
An auto! ( manual guys get this)

DaveC113 · 02-25-2022, 02:00 PM

Clutch lets up high vs most but I've certainly noticed the faster you drive the car the better the clutch works, I think they prioritized fast, higher rpm shifting, but it's also amazing how light the clutch is for how much torque it can handle.

CW3SF · 02-25-2022, 02:10 PM

A good tuner can adjust it to your preferences as well. I wouldn’t have bought a ZL1 without the M6.

Vtor_ZL1 · 02-25-2022, 02:16 PM

Clutch is OK, launch "control" sucks. Stock throttle mapping is... bad - wish was adjustable w/o voiding el-warranty.

MartinLe · 02-25-2022, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drnick

Thx for the input,it would be nice if it did have some type of throttle
Controller to raise idle rpm’s to 800 while depressing clutch, or for that matter
Just raise idle, it’s very disconcerting when it craps out in traffic,and u
Have to step on brake to restart! Again, should’ve got an auto
But u really can’t become “Part of the car” with
An auto! ( manual guys get this)

Soler's throttle controller sounds like your fix.

https://www.solerengineering.com/gen...tors/se0525-tc

pauly1119 · 02-25-2022, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drnick

Thx for the input,it would be nice if it did have some type of throttle
Controller to raise idle rpm’s to 800 while depressing clutch, or for that matter
Just raise idle, it’s very disconcerting when it craps out in traffic,and u
Have to step on brake to restart! Again, should’ve got an auto
But u really can’t become “Part of the car” with
An auto! ( manual guys get this)

I think you just need a little time with it and will become second nature again like the others I'm sure did. Funny I still have a C5 Z06 and I tend to drive both the same day and it takes a few to get use to each one but Ive had them for a while now. The Camaro is way better but the Z06 is very easy to come off the clutch, you almost can't stall it. Just get into the throttle some and its perfect.

02-25-2022, 11:46 AM	#1
Drnick Drives: 22’ ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Florida Posts: 381 View My Garage	Should’ve bought an automatic All my previous sports cars have been Manuals, except the Supra, I’ve had Z28 C5 ZO6, 300ZX, etc…. But this clutch On this ZL1 is on/off not progressive I’m assuming the flywheel is lightweight, Like the c5 zo6,and contributed to its “Finicky “ feel, and it seems the low Idle (600 rpm) also contributes, is this Clutch/flywheel setup somewhat different From the past GM vehicles I’ve mentioned?

02-25-2022, 12:11 PM	#3
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,808 View My Garage	No problems here, although I've always had a manual car and this is my 3rd consecutive Camaro. It will stall for sure if you let out the clutch at an idle. __________________ "The salesman actually told me to stop getting it sideways during the test drive" 2018 MBM ZL1 1LE - Stock 2014 CRT ZL1 574 rwhp, 537 rwtq - SOLD 2010 IBM SS Camaro VVT L99 w/ TR6060 swap, 489 rwhp, 444 rwtq - SOLD

02-25-2022, 12:37 PM	#5
raptor5244 Drives: 2022 CT4-V Blackwing Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 2,723	I love driving manuals but this is the one car I made the decision on to get the A10. I am sure you can adapt to the clutch and its character like any car but like you said the clutch engagement characteristics not very forgiving. On the ZL1 I think the tall gearing plays a role as well since you need to give just the right amount of throttle. It takes more focus on getting it just right. It's funny, I had a Miata ND, which is a riot to shift on the street. Very short gearing. Mazda programmed the car such that when you depress the clutch it raises the RPM about 200 rpm and you can just let the clutch fairly slowly with no throttle if you wanted. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Black - Sold 2013 Camaro SS 1LE - Black - M6 - Sold 2016 Camaro SS - Mosaic Black - A8 - Sold 2017 C7 Stingray - M7 Coupe - Sold 2019 C7 Grand Sport M7 Vert - Sold 2021 Camaro ZL1 - Black - A10 - Sold 2019 Tesla Model 3 2022 CT4-V Blackwing - M6

02-25-2022, 01:06 PM	#6
MartinLe Drives: 2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: OR Posts: 479	My stock clutch is smooth. __________________ JRE Terminator Rough Idle Cam Magnuson 2650 - 15% lower, 90mm upper FIC+30% DSX Flex fuel/Low side NW 103mm TB/Roto-Fab CAI Monster S Series Elite E2-X 2" TSP LT's BMR:BK063, BK060,TCA061, UTCA060, UTCA063 Weld Beadlocks/17" NT5R2

02-25-2022, 02:00 PM	#10
DaveC113 Drives: 2018 Camaro 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 1,868	Clutch lets up high vs most but I've certainly noticed the faster you drive the car the better the clutch works, I think they prioritized fast, higher rpm shifting, but it's also amazing how light the clutch is for how much torque it can handle. __________________

02-25-2022, 11:54 AM	#2
zxspeedspec Banned Drives: Faster than yours Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: Earth Posts: 288	The ZL1 needs a throttle controller. Without it the anti-stall really ****s with taking off from a stop.

02-25-2022, 01:10 PM	#7
pauly1119 Drives: 2018 ZLE Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Palm City Fl Posts: 1,346	Mine is smooth as butter.

02-25-2022, 01:33 PM	#8
serper3 Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 288	the stock clutch is fine. i do think the car feels a bit better, takes off smoother in track mode, sport 1 or 2. less of the nannies intervening. more apparent when you are trying to be even slightly aggressive with the acceleration. I have noticed this same issue with other cars also. I used to have to turn off TC on my 03 cobra every time i got into it, but it was much more pronounced with that car.

02-25-2022, 01:43 PM	#9
Drnick Drives: 22’ ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Florida Posts: 381 View My Garage	Thx for the input,it would be nice if it did have some type of throttle Controller to raise idle rpm’s to 800 while depressing clutch, or for that matter Just raise idle, it’s very disconcerting when it craps out in traffic,and u Have to step on brake to restart! Again, should’ve got an auto But u really can’t become “Part of the car” with An auto! ( manual guys get this)

02-25-2022, 02:10 PM	#11
CW3SF Drives: 2019 Chevy Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Sea level Posts: 1,252 View My Garage	A good tuner can adjust it to your preferences as well. I wouldn’t have bought a ZL1 without the M6. __________________ Kong Stage X Port, NW103, LPE HPFP, XDI +30 Injectors, ARH Headers, Flex Fuel, JMS Booster, AWE Touring, Elite E2-X CC. Stock heads, stock cam, stock pulleys: Tuned by KingLT1. 740whp Uncorrected on e50

02-25-2022, 02:16 PM	#12
Vtor_ZL1 Who Needs to KNOW? Drives: 18 ZLE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Left Side of the Moon Posts: 1,771	Clutch is OK, launch "control" sucks. Stock throttle mapping is... bad - wish was adjustable w/o voiding el-warranty. __________________ ing for grip. Are you in the NY/NJ/PA/CT region? Join us for autox fun at MetLife Stadium. HUGE lots, tons of runs. http://www.motorsportsne.com/

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