04-20-2013, 04:55 PM | #645 |
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http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...iews/120939996 here is a link to a review of the 2013 turbo 4 Malibu.
I repeat, I'm not for only V8-- I'm just pro V6 as the entry level.
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04-21-2013, 05:50 PM | #646 |
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I haven't read through this whole thread.. but thought I would add this
Here is my 2010 V6 Camaro. RED = STOCK, BLUE = Bunch of bolt-ons and tune: Here i my Focus ST 2.0 4 cylinder EcoBoost. The only mods are an axle-back, resonator swap and a tune! BTW, it definitely doesn't need to be "high reving" Now, if my Focus wasn't WRONG WHEEL DRIVE!
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Cobb 93 octane tune MRT axle back Green replacement air filter That's it!!! Not really significant at all! We've. Got our Flex cranked up to about 500 HP with just a tune and some methanol.
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A turbo 4 will get better FE. Not a huge amount better, but if you look at the ATS you'll see I think 28 mpg for the V6 and 30 mpg for the 2.0 T. My only point in the discussion is everyone seems level set on today. We had pretty crappy "muscle" cars in the past. In the future our definition may change again. And in the further future, that "muscle" may not even be generated by petroleum. Again, appologies if you think I was putting you down. Not my intent at all.
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Shrink the V6 in displacement until it was down to 270hp, or grow/tune the turbo-4 up to 320hp, and I think their efficiencies would be identical. Only differences would be the cost, complexity, and long term expensive repair potential.
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But generally a smaller displacement turbo making equal HP will get better FE. Just look at the 1.4T in the Cruze or Sonic vs the base 1.8L NA. The Turbo is the FE choice. Both the 1.8 and 1.4T make the same HP.
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Ultimately, I believe that the EPA methodology (i.e. the assumptions/simulations build into their dyno runs) underestimates the efficiency of larger displacement engines, and overestimates smaller ones. This is just an observation from experience. I've driven a lot of different cars over the years. The V8 powered cars I've driven surpassed their EPA ratings much easier and by larger margins (one of them is EPA rated at 23, and consistently gets 30, a 30% difference to the plus side) than the 4-cyl cars I've driven.
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This is my Jeff Goldblum impersonation from Independence Day. "Wellllll..."a four cylinder is good for business. If it helps them with CAFE, export, whatever. Get the production numbers up. Yes, throw a turbo or two on it if you want. Let me say this, 4 cyl Camaros might help insure there would still be 8cyl Camaros. I mean the only way to phrase it is why would anyone want a 6cyl? Well they do, and they enjoy them, and they still have more hp than the 4th gen Z28's. So I have no issue with a full spread of engine options.
I'll preface my next part with yes some people would drag race a 4cyl Camaro, but where as they may not be great for drag racing, the next lighter generation with an even lighter 4cyl turbo engine might make for a good track or autocross car. Whatever Chevy has to do to make sure the Camaro doesn't go away again is fine by me. I'm more concerned with styling and weight. No matter what, at least for the time being, whatever is offered beside the V8's there will still be V8's, and there will also be after market parts to give that engine 600 hp if that's what someone wants, which I do. |
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I associate American muscle as having minimum 8 cylinders and above. If I wanted a 4 banger, I would get a Evo or STI.
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05-01-2013, 02:36 PM | #655 |
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This! I recall an article of one of the camaro engineers stating soemthing to the effect "over his dead body" that a camaro would have a 4 cyl. We'll see what happens here, but I think they'll stop camaro production before introducing a 4 cyl in them.
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It is basically all but confirmed the Mustang is getting one.
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05-01-2013, 03:07 PM | #657 |
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...Probably true if the case were that there would be no V-8...My guess is he meant no Camaros would have a 4-cyl as the only available engine...
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Maybe so... its quite possible they introduce it, but the camaro has til about 2020 and itll be put to death again. No redesign of 6th gen and def no 7th gen camaro. But then again? Will GM ride this pony til it dies? "it's better to burn out than to fade away" is what I see happening. GM rode it til its death in 2002. I dont see them wanting to do that again. I wish theyd have stopped with the 5th gen, then bring back the Chevelle SS.
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