[WhyUMad1LE]

The SS 1LE is the Camaro Grand Sport. Unless you mean the Grand Sport Z07, which would be a 1LE 1LE with FEA.

[Childs Play]

I want an option for rocket ship tips.

























































...I'm so sorry...........

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Winning retail sales doesn't impact accessories and aftermarket as much as total sales.

Remember, every fleet unit ultimately ends up in the hands of an individual. So total number on the road does impact the business case for the aftermarket.

That being said, Corvette isn't hurting in the aftermarket with 60% of Camaro sales. And saying the Corvette is selling at 60% of Camaro volumes, retail or not, is bad.

ok, maybe, I would argue that most enthusiasts aren't looking for base model beat the shit out of fleet auction cars though...but I have no data to really say for sure. I'd like to know what aftermarket "enthusiast" items op isn't able to get a hold of.

Originally Posted by slick3

I would love it but..... from an operational standpoint you create hundreds of different combinations rather than 10-20 standardized packages. I feel like the cost would go up if things were done like this.

Full circle, I think if things were done this way we would be looking at some really expensive cars due to production costs.

have to agree one point of packaging is to keep the production costs down.

Originally Posted by Hard Parker

I hate threads like this. You are asking for more options but complaining of a high price

Can’t have your cake and eat it it too

what... my cake always magically reappears after i eat it.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

A few comments on Adaptive cruise/AEB. It's expensive to build (as a MFR) and to own. It alone will add a minimum +$3-4k to the MSRP and look like crap on the front of the car and screw up cooling and aero if not done right. So now we're approaching $80k MSRP for a loaded ZL1 Vert with AEB and smart cruise. I have a smart cruise sedan without AEB ('12 Genesis) and can tell you I wouldn't pay for it on my ZL1. Just not something I'm going to use since I don't DD the car. I also recently had to have the ABS valve/actuator module replaced at 66k miles for $2500 covered under an extended warranty I purchased earlier in the year. Electric smart cruise ABS units receive a daily duty cycle in a smart cruise car vs how often they're needed in a standard ABS/AEB car... which means they gotta be bulletproof. In 2012, Hyundai's were not. But I digress.

Honda has made adaptive cruise standard on all Accords for 2018, even the base $21,000 model. They have active braking on all automatic transmission models as well (can't do active braking with a manual)

A couple years ago all the manufacturers who sell cars in North America signed an agreement to have at least 80% of their products with standard adaptive cruise and pre-colision braking if its an automatic transmission by 2025.

Oh BTW - our current Camaros actually have the software architecture for ACC and PCB in the MyLink software code. Someone found it last year when they went into the diagnostics service menu.

[waterman]

Originally Posted by WhyUMad1LE

The SS 1LE is the Camaro Grand Sport. Unless you mean the Grand Sport Z07, which would be a 1LE 1LE with FEA.

Awesome! LMAO!

[camaro5]

The 2019 refresh is done by now.

Requests should apply to the 7th gen.

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[Wolvie70]

Originally Posted by Childs Play

I want an option for rocket ship tips.

BOOM, goes the dynamite.

[Wolvie70]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The Grandsport is the Z06 without the LT4. I don't see what a ZL1 without the LT4 would offer the Camaro lineup that isn't covered by the SS 1LE.

An automatic???

[FringBirdAloha]

Originally Posted by JaxChris

Please unpackage the Camaro and drop the base prices on the refresh. Mustang wins the bottom end in the 6th gen battle and that is what is driving their sales to squash Camaro. And low sales means low aftermarket attention, which hurts enthusiast buyers as well.

And on the subject of unpackaging the Camaro, some of the higher end Camaro trims could benefit from an organized hierarchy of option packages. I've read the articles where people at GM has mentioned stripping down the entry points a little more. I think it would actually be better if there was no more LS/LT/SS trimming at all. Make them all Camaro again and move the engines into the option packages.

The Camaro could take one more bit of inspiration from the Corvette -- the Grand Sport. It is the best Corvette, hands down. They let you have everything from Z06/Z07 without the premium of paying for the boosted engine. If Camaro was a truly modular ordering form, I think it would shake down like this:

-Engine
LTQ
LGX
LT1
LT7 (rumored)

-Transmission
TR3160
TR6060 (requires V8 engine or V6 & 1LE)
TR6070 (requires LT7 or LT1 & 1LE)
10L80
10R90 (requires LT7 or LT1 & 1LE)

-Chassis
Coupe
Convertible (not available with 1LE)

-Tier 1 Packages
Performance Tech = HUD, 8"+ Display, Upgraded DIC, Drive Modes
Convenience Tech = Homelink, Heated/Vented Seats, Automatic Climate Control, Front&Rear Parking Cameras, Auto Dim Mirrors
Safety Tech = Front&Rear Parking Sensors, Blindspot, Dual Stage Airbags, Inflatable Seatbelts, Adaptive Cruise Control, Auto High Beams, Auto Wipers

-1LE (requires Performance Tech & NPP plus either MRC or DSV)
Expanded Drive Modes, ZL1 suspension parts, eLSD, ZL1 fascia/fenders, expanded heat exchangers/capacity, wider wheels & tires

-FFM
Flex Fuel Management, enables dual fuel maps to support higher output with E85, at a lower fuel economy

-MRC
Magnetic Ride Control, independent option

-NPP
Dual Mode Exhaust, Requires Performance Tech (not available on LTQ)

-NAV
Navigation software & GPS antenna upgrade

-PDR
Requires 1LE & NAV

-Z28
Higher displacement NA engine, independent option, no prereq's

-2LE
ZL1-1LE aero upgrade plus even wider wheels & tires, requires 1LE

-DSV
ZL1-1LE suspension upgrade, requires 1LE

-AMP
Upgraded radio amplifier & speakers

-AMB
Ambient lighting kit (tell HELLA they need to offer some underbody LED strips that clip into that signal wire, they promised them 3 years ago and never delivered)


The ZL1 is untouched in this because, like the Z06, it is the whole enchilada and should be max kitted like the SS sedan was, leaving only roof/transmission choices plus a track pack (1LE) and possibly a ZR1-esque higher output engine package.



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Old Questions - bad thread title
Pretty much exclusively around the 6th Gen refresh, since nothing can be done about the bugs in the 2016.

1. Will the 8L90 be replaced with the 10L90, following Ford's update?
2. Will we finally be able to get 1LE/PDR with an automatic? Why even have a track mode on the automatic if we can't have the track package?
3. Can the differences between 1SS and 2SS become smaller package groups instead of all or nothing? Not really loving the leather in my 2016 2SS, would prefer sport cloth ventilated seats.
4. 360 degree camera or at least a front lip camera? Paired with a forward ultrasonic parking sensor that would activate the camera on the infotainment display would be a nice approach.
5. Interior cabin, more storage place? You can't even put your phone inside the center console and there is no cable channel in the armrest, after 2 months of Android Auto use, my armrest now rattles around.
6. Can we option a factory flexfuel package that includes the sensor and populates the map with a higher power output from the factory?
7. Instead of the Z/28 as a whole other vehicle, could we see a higher output NA engine option for the SS instead, that can be stacked on top of all the other packages?

Never going to happen. GM has 1000 analysts who have already poured over this scenario. It’s not cost effective to a company that mass produces cars. This is why a 3LZ or whatever nonsense they call the flagship Corvette costs so much more than a ZL1.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FringBirdAloha

Never going to happen. GM has 1000 analysts who have already poured over this scenario. It’s not cost effective to a company that mass produces cars. This is why a 3LZ or whatever nonsense they call the flagship Corvette costs so much more than a ZL1.

[Cgocifer]

I have an idea, how about better marketing? Most people don't even know about the 1LE and I don't think I've ever seen a Camaro specific tv commercial. Dodge nailed the marketing for the charger and challenger. Those dumb Chevy commercials showing all the awards and all the goodies you get are boring.

They used transformers as a huge commercial, but again, boring and played out.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Cgocifer

I have an idea, how about better marketing? Most people don't even know about the 1LE and I don't think I've ever seen a Camaro specific tv commercial. Dodge nailed the marketing for the charger and challenger. Those dumb Chevy commercials showing all the awards and all the goodies you get are boring.

They used transformers as a huge commercial, but again, boring and played out.

The ones that are interested in getting a package to make a car even more capable on the track are the same ones who visit forums like this, read MotorTrend/Car & Driver/etc, or are in car clubs. They probably already know at least as much about the 1LE as their local Chevy salesman.

The ones who aren't interested in the 1LE package aren't going to be swayed by a 30 second TV spot.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The ones that are interested in getting a package to make a car even more capable on the track are the same ones who visit forums like this, read MotorTrend/Car & Driver/etc, or are in car clubs. They probably already know at least as much about the 1LE as their local Chevy salesman.

The ones who aren't interested in the 1LE package aren't going to be swayed by a 30 second TV spot.

Still, Chevy can learn a thing or two from how Dodge advertises. Those “real people” commercials are absolutely terrible.

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The ones that are interested in getting a package to make a car even more capable on the track are the same ones who visit forums like this, read MotorTrend/Car & Driver/etc, or are in car clubs. They probably already know at least as much about the 1LE as their local Chevy salesman.

The ones who aren't interested in the 1LE package aren't going to be swayed by a 30 second TV spot.

Not saying specifically for the packages, just better advertising in general for the Camaro. They need to de-mulletize and de-transformerize the Camaro image. GM seems to prefer to link the Camaro to toys like hot wheels and transformers. Hmmm, as a 40 year old perspective buyer, do I want to drive a big child's toy or do I want to be in the brotherhood of muscle? Lol

I'm a car guy, so don't really care about that stuff, but there are tons of buyers out there who mainly care about image. One reason I think mustangs out sell Camaros is due to the fact that Mustangs have a more refined, classier, adult perception/aura about them. They don't look out of place in the parking lot of executives whereas a Camaro with hot wheels or transformer decals would be laughing stock. The dodges are more mature also but more aggressive, all American, classic muscle car. Again, something a 40 year old wouldn't be embarrassed to drive. I get that the target buyer for the Camaro may be younger, but why? 40+ year olds are the folks with the disposable income and starting of mid life car crisis.

Time to grow the image up to match what a great, refined, performance car they've become.