[Subcool]

Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

Government and car companies need to F off.

Get the F out of my life and stop trying to dictate every aspect of our lives.

Also, EV's are 100% garbage and are not any more efficient than gas cars.

I also completely reject every aspect of CO2 being a pollutant. But is sure does enable governments and big companies to exercise control over everything doesn't it. It's almost like its all a big scam.

Well said

[grgus73]

I am just south of Silicon Valley area and my power bill was around $300 for a 1100 sq ft town house. Going electric for me would get really pricey.

However, my cabin runs on mostly solar, uses very little electrical and propane. Much cheaper and thought about trading in my Trax (cabin car) up there for completely stripped Bolt EV and getting the $7500 tax credit.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Xaxas

Fear-mongering is the only point for the voter base against this, they try to use napkin math to keep being scared of progress yet they forget that EVs are more efficient in EVERY situation and don't need to be 100% fossil fuel free to be cleaner than ICEs, I don't like EVs as much as them since I spend all my day in a computer already and I like driving a machine but thinking they're somehow bad is just plain anti-intellectualism.

And hey, they grew up with leaded gasoline and turned out COMPLETELY fine! Kids nowadays whine too much eh?

Right up until the battery dies, and Insurance companies total your car, because it costs $10,000-$20,000 to fix it.

Let me know how that turns out for you.

Oh and as far as efficiency is concerned: Its been proven without napkin math, that EV's lose 41% of their range in cold weather. Try living in a state where there is actual cold weather and tell me EV's are more efficient.

The problem isn't kids, the problem is basic common sense isn't as common as people think.

[cdb95z28]

Originally Posted by Ambush

I think some people here are missing the point.
You can absolutely use oil plants to charge EVs, and they can coexist.

Occidental Petroleum (Warren Buffet's darling investment) is building carbon capture into their plants to scrub CO2 and they're coming online in the next 5 to 10 years.

Think about it, Clean air from oil, clean air in the cities from electric cars.

You guys gotta quit your fear-mongering.

Good luck with that. Carbon capture on a large scale is not worth the time or the money.

You made it sound so simple, but it's not.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by paradigm

I work for an electric utility. We are no where close to being able to support the policy push of EVs, and electrification of everything.

Also the fantasy of having windmills and solar panels providing base load generation is hilarious.

Are any technical experts actually consulted during these fantasy policies?

4 trillion KW used in the US for 2022.

A 400W solar panel receiving 4.5 peak sun hours per day can produce 1.8 kWh of electricity per day

Any idea how many square MILES of solar panel would need to be manufactured, installed and maintained? (They do need to be washed periodically to make peak power).

[Ambush]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

Good luck with that. Carbon capture on a large scale is not worth the time or the money.

You made it sound so simple, but it's not.

Simple or not, it's happening. here you go. paywall removed article.
https://archive.vn/EXGjQ#selection-503.12-507.47

here's an excerpt pasted below:

Occidental expects to generate between $430 and $630 in revenue per metric ton of atmospheric CO2 captured this decade, including federal tax credits, it said.

The company has also applied to generate credits through California’s low-carbon fuel standard, which requires providers of transportation fuels there to reduce the carbon footprint of their product. It will be able to stack federal credits and the California credits, according to the company.
Analysts said collecting CO2 from smokestacks requires much less energy and is therefore cheaper.

Howard Herzog, a leading researcher on carbon capture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said he didn’t think bringing the cost of direct-air capture down to around $100 a metric ton was a realistic goal. Occidental is “probably more bullish on direct-air capture than I would be,” he said. But he added that how much buyers of carbon credits are willing to pay will also determine how profitable direct-air capture turns out to be.

Ms. Hollub told The Wall Street Journal in August that Occidental’s efforts on carbon capture and on becoming a net-zero emitter would allow it to keep up its investments in oil and gas. She warned that underinvestment in fossil fuels, which she says will be needed for years even amid the broader transition to clean energy, will lead to a scarcity of supplies. In contrast, she said, other oil majors such as BP PLC and Shell PLC have shrunk their oil segment and invested in renewables.

Oil companies will have to find ways to remove as much carbon dioxide as they emit “if they want to be the last producer standing in the world,” Ms. Hollub said.

[Ambush]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Right up until the battery dies, and Insurance companies total your car, because it costs $10,000-$20,000 to fix it.

Let me know how that turns out for you.

Let me solve that problem for you.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ns-2023-03-28/

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Oh and as far as efficiency is concerned: Its been proven without napkin math, that EV's lose 41% of their range in cold weather. Try living in a state where there is actual cold weather and tell me EV's are more efficient.

and surprise, there's simple solutions to mitigate the 41% range loss fear.

https://www.westphalec.com/electrica...arging%20times.

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

The problem isn't kids, the problem is basic common sense isn't as common as people think.

you're right about the basic common sense.

[Ambush]

EVs will gain bigger and bigger market share over ICE.

Here's the proof. People who invest already see the bottom line numbers.







You guys love your V8s, I get it. I do too

But the numbers and the trend is there.
So you can complain about it, deny carbon dioxide's impact on the environment, or do the whole "old man yells at cloud" thing on EV's.

But the rich people have spoken. And they'll drag you kicking and screaming into this brave new world, so deal with it.

[LeonardS]

Originally Posted by Ambush

Let me solve that problem for you.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ns-2023-03-28/




and surprise, there's simple solutions to mitigate the 41% range loss fear.

https://www.westphalec.com/electrica...arging%20times.




you're right about the basic common sense.

The simple solution for conserving the battery is to park in a heated garage :smiling1. How is that going to help when you are at work for 10 hours per day….or out for dinner….or at Church…..or at a hotel. That might work great for your area but not in mine. Fortunately we will be one of the last areas to welcome EV’s. Maybe hybrids, but they have a lot of work to do on EV’s for our climate.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Ambush

Let me solve that problem for you.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ns-2023-03-28/




and surprise, there's simple solutions to mitigate the 41% range loss fear.

https://www.westphalec.com/electrica...arging%20times.




you're right about the basic common sense.

First link says nothing about cost of replacement. Your point is moot at best. More speculation without facts.

Originally Posted by Ambush

But the rich people have spoken. And they'll drag you kicking and screaming into this brave new world, so deal with it.

At least we agree on something.

Must be nice to be rich, when 99% of the world is not.

But ya practicality doesn't matter why would it for people who are rich.

Park The Car In A Garage
The temperature in your garage will be slightly warmer than outside which will help your car hold battery charge for longer period and help it charge faster. If your garage is equipped with a heater, you will see a big improvement in battery holds and charging times.

That's what you are going with right?

You do realize most people don't have garages.

Where your garage temp is only a few degrees warmer than outside temps, and MOST people don't have heated garages.

Seriously stop talking from your snuggly 70 degree winter months. You literally have no clue what winter actually is from Louisiana.

Do us a favor and blow smoke up someone else's exhaust pipe.

Like I said, Common sense is not as common as people think.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by mariojas

If you ready for summer AC use, then you are ready for EVs. Just ask them to not use AC when charging a car.

Yeah right, I am sure that won't be a problem here in the summer with overnight lows in the eighties. What a decision, being able to sleep or having my car charged to be usable in the morning.

The electrical grids in the SW are never "ready for summer". They just hope they can get through the summer with as few power outages as possible. We've already had an afternoon outage here this spring and the hundred days of 100's hasn't even begun.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Ambush

I think some people here are missing the point.
You can absolutely use oil plants to charge EVs, and they can coexist.

Occidental Petroleum (Warren Buffet's darling investment) is building carbon capture into their plants to scrub CO2 and they're coming online in the next 5 to 10 years.

Think about it, Clean air from oil, clean air in the cities from electric cars.

You guys gotta quit your fear-mongering.

This is sarcasm, right? Carbon capture has been the Lucy and the Football scam for more than thirty years, always just around the corner. The coal industry uses it to keep coal fired plants going and now the EV Lobbyist's are using it to justify charging EV's with fossil fuel generated electricity. Hypocrisy from any angle.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

This is sarcasm, right? Carbon capture has been the Lucy and the Football scam for more than thirty years, always just around the corner. The coal industry uses it to keep coal fired plants going and now the EV Lobbyist's are using it to justify charging EV's with fossil fuel generated electricity. Hypocrisy from any angle.

I didn't like the glugging sound of koolaid in that comment either.

[95 imp]

What people do not realize is that fossil fuels are made from dead plant/animal material.
It is no different than burning a piece of wood or other biomass.