[Mr. Wyndham]

Good news, thanks for posting - as always!

[triggerjerk]

The GM authority article excerpt is vague.
Are they talking about higher profit margins on the Camaro or GM as a whole?
That is a big difference.

Also, vultures are just smart shoppers. Besides, go to Chevrolet.com right now. 16% off many cars (Camaro not included). GM has conditioned consumers to wait for this.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

Makes me wonder what the average sale price is.

2017 Retail ATP's YTD (KBB KarPower)
Camaro: 38,861
Challenger: 36,958
Mustang: 35,755

Originally Posted by camaro5

I'm guessing remove the fleet rental car sales from Mustang and Challenger, and we win!

2017 Fleet Sale % YTD
Camaro: 2%
Challenger: 36%
Mustang: 31%

When you then look at retail sales YTD, the Mustang maintains a narrow lead.

2017 Retail Sales YTD
Mustang: 15,501
Camaro: 14,992
Challenger: 10,064

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

2017 Retail ATP's YTD (KBB KarPower)
Camaro: 38,861
Challenger: 36,958
Mustang: 35,755



2017 Fleet Sale % YTD
Camaro: 2%
Challenger: 36%
Mustang: 31%

When you then look at retail sales YTD, the Mustang maintains a narrow lead.

2017 Retail Sales YTD
Mustang: 15,501
Camaro: 14,992
Challenger: 10,064

Link?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by JAZ

Not sure what you are seeing in the trend lines that is "healthy" or "amazing" for Camaro or Challenger. The Challenger trend line is leveling off after a steady climb and the Camaro is still trending down towards the Challenger line, while the Mustang is still bending upwards despite a new base model refresh around the corner.

Also interesting to see some consider the Challenger a success, compared to the Camaro, because YTD it has sold 470 more units (heavily fleet). When you consider the entirety of the Dodge line, it's really bad. This photo is what Dodge promotes on their site and the Dart and Viper are discontinued.

Camaro is underperforming from a sales perspective but gen6 performance demands a new definition (Number3 eloquently said something to that affect - pony/muscle/sports car). I love mine and look forward to gen7 fixing some of its broader appeal shortcomings.

[Drew66]

Originally Posted by JAZ

Not sure what you are seeing in the trend lines that is "healthy" or "amazing" for Camaro or Challenger. The Challenger trend line is leveling off after a steady climb and the Camaro is still trending down towards the Challenger line, while the Mustang is still bending upwards despite a new base model refresh around the corner.

If I am not mistaken, I thought the challenger was being heavily discounted over the last few months. Kind of the same deal as when Camaro sales spiked during the 20% tag sale.

The key always has been and always will be perceived value. Actual value is an opinion held by the buyer.

My thoughts anyways,
Drew

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

2017 Retail ATP's YTD (KBB KarPower)
Camaro: 38,861
Challenger: 36,958
Mustang: 35,755



2017 Fleet Sale % YTD
Camaro: 2%
Challenger: 36%
Mustang: 31%

When you then look at retail sales YTD, the Mustang maintains a narrow lead.

2017 Retail Sales YTD
Mustang: 15,501
Camaro: 14,992
Challenger: 10,064

Now that's interesting indeed.

Originally Posted by Drew66

If I am not mistaken, I thought the challenger was being heavily discounted over the last few months. Kind of the same deal as when Camaro sales spiked during the 20% tag sale.

The key always has and always will be perceived value. Actual value is an opinion held by the buyer.

My thoughts anyways,
Drew

It has been, at least thru March. 20% off deals are not hard to come by for '16 and '17s in certain regions. As an example almost every Challenger at my local dealer has $3-6K off depending on MSRP.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

2017 Retail ATP's YTD (KBB KarPower)
Camaro: 38,861
Challenger: 36,958
Mustang: 35,755



2017 Fleet Sale % YTD
Camaro: 2%
Challenger: 36%
Mustang: 31%

When you then look at retail sales YTD, the Mustang maintains a narrow lead.

2017 Retail Sales YTD
Mustang: 15,501
Camaro: 14,992
Challenger: 10,064

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Now that's interesting indeed.

Very interesting. I, too, would be interested to know more about where you got that information. You mentioned KarPower...seems it requires a login.

Given just the information in those numbers...Camaro is taking in over $3000 more per car (on average) than Mustang...and Mustang only sold 9 more cars YTD to retail, real, customers YTD.

Keep up the 7000+ cars per month, and I think we're alright. Definitely doesn't hurt to broaden the appeal, or market some more, though.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Link?

+1

Seems a bit fishy.

Per fordauthority...
http://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-mo...sales-numbers/

Total small car rental fleet for Jan, Feb and March was 12.3%, 17.8% and 15.7% respectively. A vast majority of all rental sales are small and mid size cars.

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...17jansales.pdf

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...ruary-2017.pdf

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...Sales-2017.pdf

Considering nearly 30% of mustang sales are of the V6 variant, and nearly all rental companies choose the V6 over the ecoboost and coyote...the numbers don't add up.

[ron scubadiver]

Does anyone have a reliable inventory number for unsold 2017 Camaros?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

+1

Seems a bit fishy.

Total mustangs sold for 2017 through March is 22464 not the 35755 posted.

Per fordauthority...
http://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-mo...sales-numbers/

Total small car rental fleet for Jan, Feb and March was 12.3%, 17.8% and 15.7% respectively. A vast majority of all rental sales are small and mid size cars.

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...17jansales.pdf

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...ruary-2017.pdf

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...Sales-2017.pdf

Considering nearly 30% of mustang sales are of the V6 variant, and nearly all rental companies choose the V6 over the ecoboost and coyote...the numbers don't add up.

35755 is the retail ATP (average transaction price). $35,755. Meaning the average retail Camaro sells for $3,106 more. 69% of 22,464 is 15,501

Very interesting perspective

[DenverTaco07]

GM is having inventory issues across its entire lineup, not just Camaro. It's a major reason why my GM stock is down like 2% in the last week.

So, it could be true that their strategy was to reduce overall volume by cutting back fleet sales AND STILL have an inventory problem.

But then I remind myself...WHY DO I CARE if Camaro is outselling Mustang and Challenger especially when those numbers are not broken down by type of sale, fleet, consumer, V6, country etc.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

35755 is the retail ATP (average transaction price). $35,755. Meaning the average retail Camaro sells for $3,106 more. 69% of 22,464 is 15,501

Very interesting perspective

Yep, I misspoke. Will fix.

Of course, we all already knew the ATP of the Camaro is higher. None of us really know what the profit margin is on any of these vehicles.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Link?

http://www.karpower.com/Marketing/index.aspx

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

+1

Seems a bit fishy.

Per fordauthority...
http://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-mo...sales-numbers/

Total small car rental fleet for Jan, Feb and March was 12.3%, 17.8% and 15.7% respectively. A vast majority of all rental sales are small and mid size cars.

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...17jansales.pdf

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...ruary-2017.pdf

http://corporate.ford.com/content/da...Sales-2017.pdf

Considering nearly 30% of mustang sales are of the V6 variant, and nearly all rental companies choose the V6 over the ecoboost and coyote...the numbers don't add up.

Nothing fishy about it. Mustang has always been the rental queen. At least 25% every year go to rental. Challenger is second and gaining lately. Camaro has always been the lowest of the three to rental.