[Capricio]

Trying to "compete" with the Hellcat just amounts to slapping on a bigger blower and offering a warranty. ...no thanks. I'll take weight reduction and handling, actual engineering any day. If I want more power, I'll build it up myself from an ample platform, as that tends to be the "easy" part of upgrading these cars..

[2xSSRS]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

It's been a rumour for a while that they will come out with a new GT500 in 2017 with more power than the hellcat. We will see

Any car company, including GM, can build a 1000HP car. But, at what cost and how many do you think they would sell? Let's face it, there're all in business to sell cars and make money for the share holders. Selling a few hundred cars a year won't pay the bills.... Another year, maybe two, and the Hellcat will be out of production.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Hopefully, we are approaching the day when auto companies will say "enough is enough" and stop building these foolishly high HP cars for the general public (street users). I don't know if Ford or Chrysler offer a COPO equivalent (not street legal), but they should.

My fear is, if this HP race continues, our Government will eventually jump in and put a limit on how much power the general public needs to have available for driving around on the streets.

You and I don't seem to agreed often, but I completely agree with this post. Oh and, Ford and Dodge both made COPO type cars. I'm not sure if they still do however.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I've seen quite a few ZO6s, M7 and A8s best or equal the NHRA time with DRs for the Hellcat. Don't believe the hype, the Hellcat is not effective at putting it's power down. I'm sure the new GT500 will best it too. The real question will be how much better the GT500 will be and how much will the new ZL1 weigh.

I honestly don't believe it to be in the same league as the Z06, but apparently it did beat it somewhere. I would have thought that to not be possible short of breakage or lousy driving on part of the Z06.

[Trans damm]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Okay... uncover your eyes and see reality. Auto manufacturers are only getting away with putting out 500+ HP cars because the Government lets them... because they get soaked for a Gas Guzzler tax. Eventually, the Government will say "okay, fun's over" and make a regulation against anything that doesn't get 30 mpg.

You have to pay to play, I feel like a lot of the people applauding GM for potentially building a slower car then the opponents is because they don't have the budget for a 60/70k car. BTW you must be a blast at parties.

[Jeffro19]

Camaros and corvette will have high horsepower engines for years to come. Don't see any end to it anytime soon at least for 15 years. Yes they have CAFE regulations are out but is for the whole GM fleet of cars. Just like each generation of corvette and camaro, HP numbers will be creeping up.

Just like some people saying gasoline engines will be going away one day. That will be a LONG time before that happens

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

I guess this topic will never die. I am very pleased with the direction and focus of the GM engineers, making an all around balanced car. Track capable and ready. After making the ZL1, 1LE, Z/28, Z06, and the new SS with MRC, just 29 more HP than the current LS3. The direction is clear.. GM wont chase HP so ya'll might as well kill that dream.

Exactly what I think...well done!

Chevy has humiliated the GT500 on every track anyone cared to draw a comparison. I really like winning with the underdog and Chevy has done that. My L99 2010 Camaro beat several Boss 302s at the drag strip which must have been tough for a Ford guy to take ..especially since you couldn't buy a Boss 302 LS for under $70k.

[Cody6.2]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Exactly what I think...well done!

Chevy has humiliated the GT500 on every track anyone cared to draw a comparison. I really like winning with the underdog and Chevy has done that. My L99 2010 Camaro beat several Boss 302s at the drag strip which must have been tough for a Ford guy to take ..especially since you couldn't buy a Boss 302 LS for under $70k.

That's been debunked a few times as both sides (Ford & GM) have produced similar times at the same tracks. Ford just didn't focus on track numbers as that wasn't their goal. In the end it's just a lot easier to get the ZL1 around the track which doesn't necessarily make it better.

On a side note you didn't run into several Boss 302 Laguna Secas at the drag strip. And the regular Bosses you did run into most likely didn't cost much more than your car or maybe even less.

[v8]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Exactly what I think...well done!

Chevy has humiliated the GT500 on every track anyone cared to draw a comparison. I really like winning with the underdog and Chevy has done that. My L99 2010 Camaro beat several Boss 302s at the drag strip which must have been tough for a Ford guy to take ..especially since you couldn't buy a Boss 302 LS for under $70k.

I wouldn't use the word humiliated, thats pretty strong. The last GT500 and Gen5 ZL1 have been around for years and the difference between the two is well know. Yes, the ZL1 is faster around the track, but not a lot faster. In a straight line the GT500 is much faster.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by v8

I wouldn't use the word humiliated, thats pretty strong. The last GT500 and Gen5 ZL1 have been around for years and the difference between the two is well know. Yes, the ZL1 is faster around the track, but not a lot faster. In a straight line the GT500 is much faster.

Since we all know the camaro well alwqsy be held back by big brother I'd be happy if the next time around it was still faster on the track and behind in straighline speed only this time no so far behind...ZL1................"WAIT UP".........>GT500

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Since we all know the camaro well alwqsy be held back by big brother I'd be happy if the next time around it was still faster on the track and behind in straighline speed only this time no so far behind...ZL1................"WAIT UP".........>GT500

Given recent history such as...

slight improvement in the ls7 for the z28

improvement of the lsa for the zl1

16 Camaro equaling the corvettes 455 hp

I don't think its unreasonable to hope/expect the full 650 hp with an lt4 Camaro. At the very least 640.

This should make it very competitive if the weight is in check. Should run right with a hellcat. Although a new gt500 in the 700hp range would be untouchable with an lt4 on the strip given the cars are probably going to be about the same weight.
Or you never know maybe GM has something else on the horizon...

I totally agree with how your thinking and I feel the same way. It was totally not cool how much faster the gt500 was/is compared to the zl1. Being down 80hp and like 300lbs heavier=very ugly.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by v8

I wouldn't use the word humiliated, thats pretty strong. The last GT500 and Gen5 ZL1 have been around for years and the difference between the two is well know. Yes, the ZL1 is faster around the track, but not a lot faster. In a straight line the GT500 is much faster.

But in the end...

In contrast to the Shelby, the Camaro (ZL1) does almost everything with more refinement and with more empathy for its driver. One’s a gorilla, the other’s a racehorse. Which one would you rather ride?

More than the GT500, the ZL1 aggressively lifts the bar, proving that big American muscle can venture beyond sheer horsepower and drag-strip numbers and into the realm of the sports car.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...aro-zl1-page-3

Chevy took chassis design to a new level with gen5 and the base gen6 SS LT1 hasn't been held back by Corvette and gets a full 455 HP. IMO, Chevy has elevated the Pony car segment, not the other way around.

[v8]

"In contrast to the Shelby, the Camaro (ZL1) does almost everything with more refinement and with more empathy for its driver. One’s a gorilla, the other’s a racehorse. Which one would you rather ride?"

If I was going to a brawl I would rather have the gorilla.

But I understand what you mean.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Zo6 has gone 10.4 bone stock on stock tires. Even the ls7 zo6 got down to 11.0 stock and tens with drs years ago.

Hellcats arent touching that. What's the best stock time so far low 11s? High tens with a tire? They are a good match for a c6 zo6.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zv5RDzwS4g

Why are you comparing Z06 times with Hellcat times? The comparison should be the Viper if you want to include the Z06 in this comparison. Should we then compare the Viper times to the ZL1, and make this a valid comparison?