[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

I dont give a damn what anyone here says. After cross shopping a ZL1 and a GT500, the GT500 got my nod. There is WAY too much heresay in the controversial "track times" of both. I can find times that show the GT500 FASTER, just as those stating the ZL1 faster. Drive both- ZERO question. That being said, I have been a lifetime GM owner and could not WAIT to buy a ZL1! After driving both, I bought the Shelby. It is faster.

Whooooahhhh! Spoken like a true fanboy. I hope you realize this is a Chevrolet forum and if you lurk about long enough, you'll find most of the folks on here will give the nod to, um, uh, a Chevrolet.

It's not heresay, it's statistically proven by many automotive experts that the ZL1 is faster than the GT500 on a road course. Clearly, the 662 HP Mustang should have the edge at the drag strip, but unfortunately, Ford didn't think it necessary to build in a little traction or even attempt to put better tires on the car. Check YouTube and you'll find some videos showing the ZL1 easily beating the GT500 as the latter smokes it's expensive tires. Drag radials do wonders for the GT500.

If you want to spend your weekends at the drag strip and win, buy a GT500 and a good set of drag radials and have fun. If you want a road course track car, buy something else. If you want to beat Ford's "best" car everywhere, buy a Z06.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Whooooahhhh! Spoken like a true fanboy. I hope you realize this is a Chevrolet forum and if you lurk about long enough, you'll find most of the folks on here will give the nod to, um, uh, a Chevrolet.

It's not heresay, it's statistically proven by many automotive experts that the ZL1 is faster than the GT500 on a road course. Clearly, the 662 HP Mustang should have the edge at the drag strip, but unfortunately, Ford didn't think it necessary to build in a little traction or even attempt to put better tires on the car. Check YouTube and you'll find some videos showing the ZL1 easily beating the GT500 as the latter smokes it's expensive tires. Drag radials do wonders for the GT500.

If you want to spend your weekends at the drag strip and win, buy a GT500 and a good set of drag radials and have fun. If you want a road course track car, buy something else. If you want to beat Ford's "best" car everywhere, buy a Z06.

LesserO2Evils definitely is not a fan boy. He is not a "fanboy" of any manufacturer. Just because someone likes one car over the other doesn't mean anything. He drives a C6 ZO6 after all. While I don't know about the controversial track times, I know the GT500 is not as bad on the track as a Hellcat (which you never see track times or comparison for).

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

LesserO2Evils definitely is not a fan boy. He is not a "fanboy" of any manufacturer. Just because someone likes one car over the other doesn't mean anything. He drives a C6 ZO6 after all. While I don't know about the controversial track times, I know the GT500 is not as bad on the track as a Hellcat (which you never see track times or comparison for).

Sounds like a fanboy from his post...but nevertheless. Motor Trend, I think, did a track test of the Mustang GT, Camaro 1LE and the Hellcat and the Camaro beat all of them...the GT second by 2 seconds slower and the Hellcat...well behind.

I think anyone should post preferences here or anywhere else...I honestly think the GT500 is another of Ford's collector car that is worth a lot of money, but not the greatest performer. Chevrolet is making the best effort of any of them to produce a car with quality, performance and honest American good looks. But then that's my Chevrolet fanboy point of view...lol.

[LesserO2Evils]

Not a fanboy. A true car enthusiest that gives credit where it is due. If anything I have been a GM fanboy, in the past. I have literally lost friends over my Ford bashing in the past. Of course, that time period was justified. 4.6s were a complete joke. Ford couldnt get more that 300hp without slapping on a blower. Times have changed. They've really stepped up. I may not LIKE that, but I cannot deny it. I had a love/hate with my GT500. But in the end, it just wasnt me.... REGARDLESS of the insane power. So back to a Vette I went, and I dont regret it one bit.
Thank you SuperSound. I appreciate your input there.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

Not a fanboy. A true car enthusiest that gives credit where it is due. If anything I have been a GM fanboy, in the past. I have literally lost friends over my Ford bashing in the past. Of course, that time period was justified. 4.6s were a complete joke. Ford couldnt get more that 300hp without slapping on a blower. Times have changed. They've really stepped up. I may not LIKE that, but I cannot deny it. I had a love/hate with my GT500. But in the end, it just wasnt me.... REGARDLESS of the insane power. So back to a Vette I went, and I dont regret it one bit.
Thank you SuperSound. I appreciate your input there.

Sorry if I offended you. I just have trouble believing that anyone believes the GT500 is the best pony car option for anything but drag racing and then only with drag radials or slicks. I beat one of them with my 2010 bolt on Camaro...obviously only because of the traction limitations of the GT500. That had to be embarrassing for him.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

I've driven the Camaro. it's a nice car but an ergonomic disaster. Seriousl, my 1966 Chevelle is much more comfortable to drive. I like hanging my arm out the window if I want. Can't do that in the Camaro. I can see all around the Chevelle without blind spots. Can't say that about the Camaro. Now, that said, the Camaro handles light years better and is by far superior in technology and emissions.
The Challenger is more comfortable to drive than the Camaro hands down.
My observation is objective, not biased.
The Corvette is simply in an elevated class over the Camaro as it should well be. It is a rare day to see a newer model Camaro lay down a number at the local Drag Strip. Just usually doesn't happen for some reason.

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Whooooahhhh! Spoken like a true fanboy. I hope you realize this is a Chevrolet forum and if you lurk about long enough, you'll find most of the folks on here will give the nod to, um, uh, a Chevrolet.

It's not heresay, it's statistically proven by many automotive experts that the ZL1 is faster than the GT500 on a road course. Clearly, the 662 HP Mustang should have the edge at the drag strip, but unfortunately, Ford didn't think it necessary to build in a little traction or even attempt to put better tires on the car. Check YouTube and you'll find some videos showing the ZL1 easily beating the GT500 as the latter smokes it's expensive tires. Drag radials do wonders for the GT500.

If you want to spend your weekends at the drag strip and win, buy a GT500 and a good set of drag radials and have fun. If you want a road course track car, buy something else. If you want to beat Ford's "best" car everywhere, buy a Z06.

Since ya'll both like the '66 Chevelle, how do you like the badges representing something that it is not?

[68fbjjz109]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

A lot of assumptions in that post. You assume FCA is making good money on the Hellcats, but that is unlikely given their recent statements about it being "halo car". Has anyone actually seen any new sales figures? Last thing around sales for them was that they stopped taking orders at 9000, but that's not an actual built number.

I there is one thing I know about FCA; they don't know how to make money. That is one thing I know Ford does very very well.

FCA's margins are horrible, and they are having a big problem with it right now. Some of their vehicles essentially make no money because they build cars with little consideration for profit or price point, and they don't charge for content.

That Alpha in some form is likely going to be the basis for the L platform replacement from what I have heard over the last year. However there is nothing coming from those vehicle teams yet to support the strong rumors. Even if it's not as light, if the can get withing 100 lbs of the competition that will get the off their performance island, and help with CAFE.