06-28-2009, 06:07 PM | #29 | |
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06-28-2009, 06:10 PM | #30 |
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Awesome! Thanks for the quick replies guys!
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06-28-2009, 07:34 PM | #31 |
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Unfortunately, the Camaro is a whole new animal and can only be programmed with GM's new MDI. As a matter of fact, I have been told that the Tech 2 doesn't even work on the Camaro (or '10 Equinox/SRX/Terrain, '10 LaCrosse). However, I have 2 setup at my lab. If you need it, let me know....
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06-28-2009, 07:48 PM | #32 | |
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As far as the immorality of swapping parts back and forth to cover for yourself, in forced induction applications, I agree. doing a tune to a LS3/L99 has been done by several companies (along with exhaust and intake upgrades) that has netted some AMAZING increases. Check out the articles on Camaro5 homepage (archive possibly). 50 RWHP?! As long as the emissions controls aren't deleted, I don't see how that could cause any damage. GM has always been conservative in their programming. The Duramax, for instance. Talk about an overbuilt motor! The only problem that I would see as far as getting a blank ECM/PCM would be a descrepancy in engine hours. But just a tune, in my opinion, would not cause any damage with our Camaros. I love getting into discussions like this! |
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06-28-2009, 07:59 PM | #33 |
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No. He is telling you to commit warranty fraud. Chevy is not your personal race team. You must pay to play.
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06-28-2009, 08:10 PM | #34 | |
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First, GM is NOT trying to deny claims. GM takes steps to make sure that the dealer is actually making the repairs, but if you have a problem DO NOT THINK FOR A MINUTE GM will try to not have the claim paid or put your dealer in situation where it is out of pocket. Now if the dealer fixes something on your car that isn't wrong and trys to charge GM for it that is another story. Second, there is a reason why the engine comes from the factory as it is. It is a very well balanced calibration for power, fuel economy and emissions. It is done so that an engine starts and performs well in International Fall MN in January and Phoenix AZ in July. It is also done to ensure durability and reliability. These aftermarket "tunes" aren't magic. GM could do this as well if it met FE and was durable. It's the same as putting on an aftermarket exhaust. GM could easily do that for you but it would violate Federal requirements and not be salable. Will your engine blow up if you put in a "tune", no. Will it be equally durable, no way. Adding torque to a drive train increases the loads. It is that simple. Why do you think the automatic trans in the CTS-V is different than the one in the Camaro. So yes, these guys can sell you a "tune" for a few hundred bucks. But they can't tell you it passes all of the GM durability test that were done on your Camaro, hence the warranty issue. Don't get me wrong, I had an optional ROM for my 87 Grand National. It added boost and let the engine knock more. But I also knew it was at a price.
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06-28-2009, 08:59 PM | #37 | |
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If you can lower the operating temperature of any air pump it will become not only more efficient but durable as well. As long as the tune is to only optimize the upgrades, not exceed them. |
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06-28-2009, 09:18 PM | #38 | |
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I apologize to anyone for any offense I have caused... I made a faulty assumption that the people making these mods knew that they had a chance of having their warranty voided. However, GM is protecting themselves from this and have gone to great lengths to do so. I have seen warranties voided (look at a GM VIS, there is a dedicated page for branding warranties) for a number of things. I guess what I am saying is BEAN COUNTERS ARE BEAN COUNTERS. Their job is to reduce costs. If they can't do their job, then they will find someone who can. Know that GM WILL void a warranty and deny payment on a claim if there is evidence of an unauthorized modification. I really enjoy these discussions. This is what having a community is all about. I AM NOT AN EXPERT. This is just one guy offering what he knows and has learned. I learn alot from this site, and appreciate the education you guys give me. |
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GM knows were out here doing this. That is why the internals are designed to handle 550 rear wheel HP. |
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06-28-2009, 10:19 PM | #42 | |
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As far as the previous comment, the only thing I'd have to disagree on is that when you unrestrict air passage, you have to have more fuel to compensate. That being said, the increase in efficiency produced by uncorking the air pump (good analogy, BTW) would offset that some. |
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