[Eric SS]

When the turbo 4 and the vert goes into production and rental fleet orders start, you'll see more deliveries.

[Techn9cian805]

Also, we need to see some type of marketing for the gen 6 if GM wants to see improvement, and as I have stated in other threads, GM hasn't done anything about it yet, other than win some props and awards here and there from publications that are only seen by the die-hard car guys. The average consumer doesn't know about the new Camaros, and what made the mustang a big seller among young people was the turbo4; By now I think it will be too late for Chevy to recover, but without a marketing campaign, you may as well call it an L for the year.

[Omar1]

I think its obvious Mustang blew up so much thanks to the more affordable and fuel efficient 4 cylinder engine. Hope Chevrolet can start getting theirs out soon and start gaining some ground on that market.

[Flyer]

In contrast, my local dealer has yet to receive its first 2016 Camaro. Apparently, it is still swimming across the ocean to Hawaii.

[Techn9cian805]

BONUS POINT!!!! I'm also going to assume these graphs are encompassing global sales, which mustang has in the bag, specially with their right-hand drive models and the smaller displacement of their v8, which make them less expensive than the Camaro's tax-wise in Europe. Camaro doesn't stand a chance there.

[Jeremeymt]

Originally Posted by Omar1

I think its obvious Mustang blew up so much thanks to the more affordable and fuel efficient 4 cylinder engine. Hope Chevrolet can start getting theirs out soon and start gaining some ground on that market.

THIS!

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

BONUS POINT!!!! I'm also going to assume these graphs are encompassing global sales, which mustang has in the bag, specially with their right-hand drive models and the smaller displacement of their v8, which make them less expensive than the Camaro's tax-wise in Europe. Camaro doesn't stand a chance there.

The Mustang figures are US sales only.

If global sales were figured in the Mustang's lead over the Camaro would be about..20,000 or so cars stronger.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

BONUS POINT!!!! I'm also going to assume these graphs are encompassing global sales, which mustang has in the bag, specially with their right-hand drive models and the smaller displacement of their v8, which make them less expensive than the Camaro's tax-wise in Europe. Camaro doesn't stand a chance there.

Negative. They're US sales results.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Omar1

I think its obvious Mustang blew up so much thanks to the more affordable and fuel efficient 4 cylinder engine. Hope Chevrolet can start getting theirs out soon and start gaining some ground on that market.

But isn't the Mustang V6 the entry level car? 4 cylinder Ecoboost is mid-range?

The dealership in my area has only one 2016 Black 1LT Camaro with MSRP of $29,745 in stock. Another one exactly like it, only Nightfall Gray, in transit.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Negative. They're US sales results.

wow. that's pretty damn impressive.

Camaro has lost this one tho eitherway; all the people who wanted a turbo4 already got theirs when the mustang first offered them. the sales number for them is not going to reach that height again, not this year at least.

correct me if im wrong, but I also remember reading that the turbo4 Camaro is going to be the entry level Camaro, the LS of this generation, if you will... does that mean that there are going to be less available options for the T4? its also going to be slower than the v6, which is the opposite for the mustang. who is going to want to buy the slower car when they have a choice and the price difference for the options will be small?

[aa406079]

this means nothing until the base turbo-4's are out in quantity at dealership lots

the T-4 will be just a fast if not faster than the V6 if folks are will to do a simple ECU tune to turn up the wick on the boost.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

wow. that's pretty damn impressive.

Camaro has lost this one tho eitherway; all the people who wanted a turbo4 already got theirs when the mustang first offered them. the sales number for them is not going to reach that height again, not this year at least.

correct me if im wrong, but I also remember reading that the turbo4 Camaro is going to be the entry level Camaro, the LS of this generation, if you will... does that mean that there are going to be less available options for the T4? its also going to be slower than the v6, which is the opposite for the mustang. who is going to want to buy the slower car when they have a choice and the price difference for the options will be small?

The T4 will be the entry level engine, but it will be able to be optioned the same as a V6 (except for the NPP), leather, HUD, discotech rave light show...everything. It will also be the lightest of the Camaro line.

Stock for stock..yeah it'll likely be slower than the V6 Camaro..it is what it is. Given the issues the T4 has had in the ATS (blown out of proportion, but still there)..I expect GM to be really, really touchy about warranty work on them, especially when dealing with mysteriously blown engines with "factory tunes".

[Omar1]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

But isn't the Mustang V6 the entry level car? 4 cylinder Ecoboost is mid-range?

The dealership in my area has only one 2016 Black 1LT Camaro with MSRP of $29,745 in stock. Another one exactly like it, only Nightfall Gray, in transit.

Actually, you are right about that.. Hmm.. Maybe just the fact that it's a four cylinder makes it more enticing to consumers in that market..

[chris227]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

Also, we need to see some type of marketing for the gen 6 if GM wants to see improvement, and as I have stated in other threads, GM hasn't done anything about it yet, other than win some props and awards here and there from publications that are only seen by the die-hard car guys. The average consumer doesn't know about the new Camaros, and what made the mustang a big seller among young people was the turbo4; By now I think it will be too late for Chevy to recover, but without a marketing campaign, you may as well call it an L for the year.

Maybe a sexy ass Super Bowl spot to kick off a marketing push? They need to do something from a marketing standpoint.