[motorhead]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

In the case you outline, the problem isn't that the 2SS to too expensive. The buyers priorities have changed. A base luxury car and a performance/muscle/sports car don't compare. Building a cheaper, poorer performing Camaro isn't going to make that buyer move down market away from the Infinity.

Well, not someone with a brain anyhow. Good point though.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

In the case you outline, the problem isn't that the 2SS to too expensive. The buyers priorities have changed. A base luxury car and a performance/muscle/sports car don't compare. Building a cheaper, poorer performing Camaro isn't going to make that buyer move down market away from the Infinity.

That is the point that me and a few others have been saying! At this price point now you are going to get that odd cross shopping(from people are not enthusiasts that has been the base of this whole debate), where people might trade off the performance of a car for the "luxury" of another car bc they are in the same price point now.

You also seemed to skip the part where I said when he ditched his Ford he was looking at Challengers. The price point in the Challenger led him to realize he could get into a luxury car.

[SpeedIsLife]

There are certain cars that say "You've made it" or "You're on your way"...

The ATS-V, M3 and M4, the Lexus ISF/RCF...they say "you're getting there"

The CTS-V, M5, etc...they say "You've made it"..

What does a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger say? You're still a bit immature and you're okay with it.

I work in an office in metro Portland with these people who pull in $90,000...and they ALL immediately ran out to get Caddies, Audis, BMW's and Mercedes.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

There are certain cars that say "You've made it" or "You're on your way"...

The ATS-V, M3 and M4, the Lexus ISF/RCF...they say "you're getting there"

The CTS-V, M5, etc...they say "You've made it"..

What does a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger say? You're still a bit immature and you're okay with it.

I work in an office in metro Portland with these people who pull in $90,000...and they ALL immediately ran out to get Caddies, Audis, BMW's and Mercedes.

I guess it depends on where you live too. Here where I live if you have the BoreMW, the Audi or Mercedes you are a rich prick. If you own a Zl1, current Z/28, GT500 or even a 60K truck you are a cool rich guy and people will talk to you. Once again it goes back to a lot of dumb asses roaming the earth these days.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I guess it depends on where you live too. Here where I live if you have the BoreMW, the Audi or Mercedes you are a rich prick. If you own a Zl1, current Z/28, GT500 or even a 60K truck you are a cool rich guy and people will talk to you. Once again it goes back to a lot of dumb asses roaming the earth these days.

See where you live it says rich prick and while I like to say that goes for all BMW drivers hahaha around me it means successful. Like SpeedIsLife said, they are cars that say you have made it. Around here if your a successful individual driving around in a Ford or Chevy people either assume its a Company Car, or your at the bottom of the food chain.

And this is not just for the Camaro, Mustang has this problem too as its right behind the Camaro in price

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

There are certain cars that say "You've made it" or "You're on your way"...

The ATS-V, M3 and M4, the Lexus ISF/RCF...they say "you're getting there"

The CTS-V, M5, etc...they say "You've made it"..

What does a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger say? You're still a bit immature and you're okay with it.

I work in an office in metro Portland with these people who pull in $90,000...and they ALL immediately ran out to get Caddies, Audis, BMW's and Mercedes.

I get what you're saying but all of those cars will cost at least $15-20K more than a 2SS Camaro. A base luxury buyer is moving in a different direction and a cheaper Camaro isn't going to lure them.

I think the 1LE option on the V6 acknowledges the need of the guy whose income hasn't kept up. Think about what a WS6 or SS gen4 cost and its performance relative to the new LT V6.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I guess it depends on where you live too. Here where I live if you have the BoreMW, the Audi or Mercedes you are a rich prick. If you own a Zl1, current Z/28, GT500 or even a 60K truck you are a cool rich guy and people will talk to you. Once again it goes back to a lot of dumb asses roaming the earth these days.

Its the same here. I'm actually embarrassed to appear "wealthy" with a ZL1. Modesty in the midwest

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Its the same here. I'm actually embarrassed to appear "wealthy" with a ZL1. Modesty in the midwest

I have a friend here that is an electrical contractor. He really wants a GT500 ,but he won't buy one because of how people around here. That's another rich guy car here. That's why he owns an off shore boat and a house on the beach 5hrs from here instead.

[BrandX]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

Most people do not want wealth. It takes hard work and discipline with an attention to personal financial management and living below our means to achieve long term wealth. Most people are not willing to stick to a plan like that.

What people want is the PERCEPTION of wealth. Why would the average American spend $50,000 on a Chevy when they can get a BMW for $36,000? Most people never look past the brand emblem. A $50,000 Camaro is absolutely laughable. Expect Mustang sales to DESTROY Camaro sales in 2016.

Agree, Camaro will get hammered!!!!!

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

Most people do not want wealth. It takes hard work and discipline with an attention to personal financial management and living below our means to achieve long term wealth. Most people are not willing to stick to a plan like that.

What people want is the PERCEPTION of wealth. Why would the average American spend $50,000 on a Chevy when they can get a BMW for $36,000? Most people never look past the brand emblem. A $50,000 Camaro is absolutely laughable. Expect Mustang sales to DESTROY Camaro sales in 2016.

It's funny, I tend to agree with everything you said. We were talking about comparing a loaded Camaro to luxury brands.

Then came the last sentence in bold above. The bread and butter sales of T4 and V6 should be very competitive this year. We will see how it pans out.

The Camaro is the superior car, we will see if it translates to sales for the lower tier models.

In my opinion, Chevy should not have too many loaded SS models on dealer lots. This will lead to lost sales thru sticker shock. Leave that to the special orders. Have dealer alotment of SS in the upper 30s, low 40K range.

[tomlink]

Not looking too good. Camaro is car of the year everywhere except the sales numbers. I hope this turns around.

[Factorypilot]

After toying with the idea of the M2 (I still like the way it looks), I've decided to stick with the Camaro, especially for the price I'm getting it for. If I ever went BMW (and maybe I will down the road), I'd want something along the lines of the M4, but I'd really want something with more than 425 HP.

I'm not crazy about the maintenance stories I hear and I'd definitely need to be convinced to go that direction. They lose a crazy amount of value off the line, so maybe the thing to do is buy used at 65K.

Dunno. For now, I really like the Camaro and all it has to offer. It's a great looking car, my wife and I love the interior and we both love the performance.

Glad Chevy came out with the Gen 6. It's a winner in my book.

[Techn9cian805]

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/lat...icle-1.2521840


for all you people still denying that the new Camaro is targeting the german market, check it out. its performing well in german territory, so its just begging to be compared. it wont happen overnight, but it will cause a few cross shopping scenarios for driving enthusiasts, if not from the common "idiot".

[camguynj]

6th Gen not all that in sales ...yet ? Still early but I would have thought the first month sales would blast off. Could it be 5th genners not feeling it enough? Count me in that category. Maybe the 50th anniversary model will do it but don't think so as the recently released '17 1LE is no different in style as the '16