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ABMLS3 · 11-09-2013, 06:12 PM

After the winter I'll be camming my ss and I'm shooting for around 475-490 rwhp. I was looking up zl1 dynos and it looks like they have ~480 rwhp. Who do you think would win

el ess A · 11-09-2013, 06:24 PM

The ZL1

JEFF75645 · 11-09-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by el ess A

The ZL1

Aren't they heavier than the SS?

el ess A · 11-09-2013, 06:37 PM

Yes.

LSXaddict · 11-09-2013, 06:40 PM

I'd say it depends on how the ss has its suspension set up. If the SS just spins or hops I'd give it to the zl1 but if the SS hooks and the zl1 is on stock tires I'd give it to the SS.

white ZL1 · 11-09-2013, 07:24 PM

Win what?

On a road course, the ZL1 would hand you your ass.
On a drag strip, I suppose it depends on whether we're talking A6's or M6's, what tire each car is on, and each driver's ability.

Blueclyde · 11-09-2013, 08:13 PM

I had a 482 rwhp head cam SS. It was an awesome car. My opinion is camming these LS3's has it's trade offs. They make great power over 3000 rpm. They lack torque down low to get the car moving. They actually lose a little low end torque when cammed.

My ZL1 is bone stock and there is no question that it's faster than my SS was, in a straight line. It's not a ton faster, but it's faster. They are totally different cars. That's no slam on the SS. I think the SS is an awesome car.

Blueclyde · 11-09-2013, 08:15 PM

Also, many M6 ZL1's dyno just over 500rwhp.

Bad70supreme · 11-09-2013, 08:16 PM

The SS if its on tires and you can drive your aZZ off! I would have no problem with a zl1 with my little cammed ls3, but I have a th400!

white ZL1 · 11-09-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

The SS if its on tires and you can drive your aZZ off! I would have no problem with a zl1 with my little cammed ls3, but I have a th400!

Careful now.

An A6 ZL1 is a cold air and a tire from putting a car on you at the stripe.

Emvici · 11-09-2013, 08:37 PM

If you can get in the 480 rwhp range, then you have just managed to get as much Hp as the ZL1 motor has, and you matched it without a supercharger and by just adding a Cam. Gee why couldnt GM have just thought of that?? If you can get 160 hp gain by adding a just a cam wow. Is it possible to do by simply just adding a cam?.

white ZL1 · 11-09-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Emvici

If you can get in th e 480 rwhp range, then you have just managed to get as much Hp as the ZL1 motor has, and you think you can match it without a supercharger and by just adding a Cam???? gee why couldnt GM have just thought of that?? I think its because You cant go from 320 rwhp (stock ss) to 480 rwhp by just adding a cam. gee if you can get 160 hp gain by adding a just a cam wow. alot of work went into the zl1 motor to get and maintain 480 rwhp, if it were only so simple to just add a cam.

Read the OP's sig, and re-think what you just typed.
You'll either realize you were wrong, or you don't know much about these cars.

Deftones · 11-09-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Emvici

If you can get in th e 480 rwhp range, then you have just managed to get as much Hp as the ZL1 motor has, and you think you can match it without a supercharger and by just adding a Cam???? gee why couldnt GM have just thought of that?? I think its because You cant go from 320 rwhp (stock ss) to 480 rwhp by just adding a cam. gee if you can get 160 hp gain by adding a just a cam wow. alot of work went into the zl1 motor to get and maintain 480 rwhp, if it were only so simple to just add a cam.

If you read the OP's post you'll see his modification list. So yes, he's a cam away from being near his goal.

alaskacamaro · 11-09-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Emvici

If you can get in the 480 rwhp range, then you have just managed to get as much Hp as the ZL1 motor has, and you matched it without a supercharger and by just adding a Cam. Gee why couldnt GM have just thought of that?? If you can get 160 hp gain by adding a just a cam wow. Is it possible to do by simply just adding a cam?.

Adding a decent cam package to a LS3 (M6) SS along with full bolt-on's and a professional tune will net you 500whp. A L99 (A6) your looking at 470-480whp..

A cam install alone will not work, especially if you don't have the support modds..

Remember that raw numbers are only part of the equation. The ZL1 is heavier but the suspension is vastly superior to a stock SS. There are plenty of cammed SS's beating stock ZL1's but they have at least upgraded their suspension, tune, bolt-ons, cam and of course tires...

11-09-2013, 06:12 PM	#1
ABMLS3 Drives: 2010 Aqua Blue Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2013 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 657	SS vs ZL1 After the winter I'll be camming my ss and I'm shooting for around 475-490 rwhp. I was looking up zl1 dynos and it looks like they have ~480 rwhp. Who do you think would win __________________ Power Source Performance Turbo Kit 416 C.I ,TH400 Instagram: TomTraube COTW ABMLS3 Build Thread

11-09-2013, 06:24 PM	#2
el ess A Older Than Dirt Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 4,564	The ZL1 __________________ 2010 2SS TE, 1 of 822/2013 Camaro ZL1 vert, 1 of 54

11-09-2013, 06:37 PM	#4
el ess A Older Than Dirt Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 4,564	Yes. __________________ 2010 2SS TE, 1 of 822/2013 Camaro ZL1 vert, 1 of 54

11-09-2013, 06:40 PM	#5
LSXaddict Drives: 1ss in Blue Ray Metallic Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 384	I'd say it depends on how the ss has its suspension set up. If the SS just spins or hops I'd give it to the zl1 but if the SS hooks and the zl1 is on stock tires I'd give it to the SS. __________________ 2013 1SS M6 with Flowmaster Pro 10 axle back and CAGS shift skip eliminator

11-09-2013, 08:16 PM	#9
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	The SS if its on tires and you can drive your aZZ off! I would have no problem with a zl1 with my little cammed ls3, but I have a th400! __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

11-09-2013, 07:24 PM	#6
white ZL1 Drives: none Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: DFW area Posts: 1,844	Win what? On a road course, the ZL1 would hand you your ass. On a drag strip, I suppose it depends on whether we're talking A6's or M6's, what tire each car is on, and each driver's ability.

11-09-2013, 08:13 PM	#7
Blueclyde Drives: 2023 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,717	I had a 482 rwhp head cam SS. It was an awesome car. My opinion is camming these LS3's has it's trade offs. They make great power over 3000 rpm. They lack torque down low to get the car moving. They actually lose a little low end torque when cammed. My ZL1 is bone stock and there is no question that it's faster than my SS was, in a straight line. It's not a ton faster, but it's faster. They are totally different cars. That's no slam on the SS. I think the SS is an awesome car.

11-09-2013, 08:15 PM	#8
Blueclyde Drives: 2023 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,717	Also, many M6 ZL1's dyno just over 500rwhp.

11-09-2013, 08:37 PM	#11
Emvici Drives: 2014 ZL1 White Convertible Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: St Pete Fl Posts: 682	If you can get in the 480 rwhp range, then you have just managed to get as much Hp as the ZL1 motor has, and you matched it without a supercharger and by just adding a Cam. Gee why couldnt GM have just thought of that?? If you can get 160 hp gain by adding a just a cam wow. Is it possible to do by simply just adding a cam?. Last edited by Emvici; 11-09-2013 at 08:50 PM.