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Old 02-02-2013, 04:11 PM   #295
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...smaller displacement next gen 4 or 6 cylinder direct injection motors with turbo's are going to give lots of power and good fuel economy, as mandated by the substantial fuel mileage mandates of CAFE in 2016. They will be used corporate wide. The LT1 and the LT4, 8 cyl DI engines, are the real elephants in the room. One na, one supercharged. Both 6.2 L. Both in a sense mechanically similar as in the LS3/LS9, but with different strength levels of certain reciprocating parts, valve train parts etc.., and fuel induction systems (FI and SC). Will that be it for 8 cyl choices, only 2? Will there be a 7.0L 427 CID in the works? Or will that displacement die with the LS line? Will they make the 5.3L in a SHP version as well? I think we should discuss the potential of a limited choice of 8 cyl SHP configurations in our future, since it appears MPG, gross vehicle weight, and GOV restrictions will limit our horsepower and CID diet.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:03 AM   #296
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...smaller displacement next gen 4 or 6 cylinder direct injection motors with turbo's are going to give lots of power and good fuel economy, as mandated by the substantial fuel mileage mandates of CAFE in 2016. They will be used corporate wide. The LT1 and the LT4, 8 cyl DI engines, are the real elephants in the room. One na, one supercharged. Both 6.2 L. Both in a sense mechanically similar as in the LS3/LS9, but with different strength levels of certain reciprocating parts, valve train parts etc.., and fuel induction systems (FI and SC). Will that be it for 8 cyl choices, only 2? Will there be a 7.0L 427 CID in the works? Or will that displacement die with the LS line? Will they make the 5.3L in a SHP version as well? I think we should discuss the potential of a limited choice of 8 cyl SHP configurations in our future, since it appears MPG, gross vehicle weight, and GOV restrictions will limit our horsepower and CID diet.
Shhhh! Talk like that will get you mocked for being an alarmist. There will ALWAYS be huge high power V8 Camaros. You just have to be one to the elite or ruling class to be allowed to get one.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:55 AM   #297
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At one point [not too long ago] GM was [and maybe still is] making crate engine from this 2.0 block with a single turbo that was making 1000 HP for drag racing. Yes, I saw the 1000hp with my own eyes, straight from GM catalog. This 2.0 block is one hell of block to make big power.


This was Oldsmobile's experimental test bed, powered by a single turbo 4 cyl which produced nearly 900 horsepower, and another variant with twin tubos produced over 1,000 horses.

Here is a link to a good read on the program and Ed Welburn
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...h/viewall.html

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:41 AM   #298
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I don't like the fact that people are so hung up on "muscle cars" (spoiler alert: the original camaro was a pony car to begin with) that people get so upset about cylinder count and not performance/mpgs/cost... but that's just me.
I've noticed a trend in your posts. You knock people who buy a V8 for the sound and performance while pushing the non existant TT V6 Camaro. Seems to me like you wanted a V8 but couldn't get it and have to continually justify buying the V6 yourself.

Back on topic. I fully expect to see engine cylinder counts and displacements to continually decrease. The price of V8s will keep going up until they are out of the price range of most people.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:17 PM   #299
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I've noticed a trend in your posts. You knock people who buy a V8 for the sound and performance while pushing the non existant TT V6 Camaro. Seems to me like you wanted a V8 but couldn't get it and have to continually justify buying the V6 yourself.

Back on topic. I fully expect to see engine cylinder counts and displacements to continually decrease. The price of V8s will keep going up until they are out of the price range of most people.
And just because cylinder counts may go down, it doesn't neccessarily mean the HP will go down.

just wait and see.......

Maybe it'll get a trubo 4cyl with 330HP and quad fart cans.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:43 PM   #300
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I like the idea of an oddball 4cyl 2.0L turdbo to power the 6th Gen Camaro, as long as it provides very good power and performance.... 2.0L needs at least 320-325hp in a 3300lb Camaro... 3.46 rear gears and maybe an optional 3.73 rear... I love a V-8 too but am always open to new and interesting motors....
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:50 PM   #301
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Here is an IPF tuned Buick with the 2.0.

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I like the idea of an oddball 4cyl 2.0L turdbo to power the 6th Gen Camaro, as long as it provides very good power and performance.... 2.0L needs at least 320-325hp in a 3300lb Camaro... 3.46 rear gears and maybe an optional 3.73 rear... I love a V-8 too but am always open to new and interesting motors....
I'd love to see a boosted 4-cylinder. It should help make the Camaro accessible to those tuners who want one of the most distinctive performance vehicles on the road. With the reduced weight of the Alpha platform, there's real potential.
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Old 02-04-2013, 06:26 PM   #303
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...go to GM authority and research 4 and 6 turbos, it's the future, here now, going Corporate wide...
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:15 PM   #304
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And just because cylinder counts may go down, it doesn't neccessarily mean the HP will go down.

just wait and see.......

Maybe it'll get a trubo 4cyl with 330HP and quad fart cans.
I'm not saying it will.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:06 PM   #305
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I like the idea of an oddball 4cyl 2.0L turdbo to power the 6th Gen Camaro, as long as it provides very good power and performance.... 2.0L needs at least 320-325hp in a 3300lb Camaro... 3.46 rear gears and maybe an optional 3.73 rear... I love a V-8 too but am always open to new and interesting motors....
The 4.3 V-6 going in the new trucks could boost horsepower and improve mileage at the same time. They went with the 6.2 displacement in the LT1 to ensure that the motor had enough torque when running on 4 cylinders. The same applies with AFM on the V-6. I would much rather have a NA V-6 myself.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:15 PM   #306
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The more I think about it...the more I think I'd be ALL over a T4 Camaro to replace my Cobalt...
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