Uh oh! Our ZL1's won't be king of the road much longer:-( - Page 5

2010REDSS · 03-18-2018, 10:13 AM

The GT500 is a good thing if you are a Chevy guy. Camaro, Vette, both. The current pony car wars rage on and that is good for everyone!

Chevy's response will be better and more capable Camaros and Vettes.....

The ZL1 1LE handles the GT 350R on a road course, no problem.

We shouldn't be surprised....after years of delays....that Ford responded to the ZL1 with this car. My view is that Team Camaro is already well underway with the Camaro that will top the GT500.

C'mon Chevy....get it built!

jbp8653 · 03-18-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010REDSS

The GT500 is a good thing if you are a Chevy guy. Camaro, Vette, both. The current pony car wars rage on and that is good for everyone!

Chevy's response will be better and more capable Camaros and Vettes.....

The ZL1 1LE handles the GT 350R on a road course, no problem.

We shouldn't be surprised....after years of delays....that Ford responded to the ZL1 with this car. My view is that Team Camaro is already well underway with the Camaro that will top the GT500.

C'mon Chevy....get it built!

This is the good old days!!!!

TRZ06 · 03-18-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

There is always a catch with Ford and dealer ADM is just one. The GT350R is great but has limited availability. The original base GT350 overheated in a parade laps but the comfort tech package couldn’t be combined with the track package coolers. The new PP2 has no coolers and comes with a limp mode warning to add your own. The 475 HP Bullitt is not available with the A10. Etc.

It’s as if Ford puts deliberate obstacles in the way of enthusiasts getting into and using their performance cars.

There will be a hook with the GT500. There will be an unattainable combination for the press (and wealthy) and then a handicapped version for the masses.

You have to give GM props on this front. I am proud that GM has stepped up and now will cover a track focused car that they market as a track car and cover it under full warranty.

GM is on the right track finally.

Much better than back in the day when they created the C5 Z06 (which was way ahead of its time in performance) and billed it as a track focus car, but would't cover shit.

I went thru 5 Z06's, in both C5 & C6 and most had issues. 2 bought back on the lemon law.

I was so over and done with GM for many years, but I have to say the ZL1 1LE is bringing me back after all these years.

The interior far exceeded my expectations, the performance is there, the components they are using are top notch, and they are covering you on the track.

Hurry up Nov., I need the lease on the M3 to be done.

lt4camaro · 03-18-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Chevy isn't going to go out of their way to respond. They're going to run the wave of the 6th gens, sell as many as they can, and then redesign the Gen 7 Camaro and start selling that. 1-2 years into the 7th gen, they'll build a ZL1 which will probably have the engine that the mid level Corvette has (TT V8 is my guess). No ZL1 will get the LT5 out of this gen just like the ZL1 never got the LS9 from last gen. If you want to drive a Chevy and beat SRT/Ford without a doubt, buy a Corvette. If Ford gets the weight down to 3500-3700, it's not going to be pretty for the Camaro team for 6th gen OR 7th gen. That's a seriously high bench mark, approaching Corvette territory.

My bets for the GT500 though are this:
Over 700 HP but not 772.
3800 pounds like the GT350. Some weight savings in technology but the weight of the engine will put it right back where it started, likely around 3800-3900.
A10 Transmission. The DCT from the Ford GT will require lots of tuning and work to be mated to a higher HP V8 whereas the A10 is already built for that. It may have a manual option as well.
Expect some good 305 or 315 tires on the back but the car won't hook very good anyways and if it does hook good then you'll have complaining from Shelby purists.
I'd expect high 10s. Likely they'll attempt to make it a "Triple thread" car like the ZL1 and they just might be able to get there if they include GT350R handling characteristics with the HP of a GT500. That would be a pretty deadly combo.
$85,000+ MSRP with some nasty ADM's. Limited run but they'll be more common than you think.

725 horse, definitely less than 750, 10 speed auto, no dct, 300 lbs more than a gt350r or about 3950 which is 100 lbs heavier than the last GT500. It will never handle as good as a ZL1 ILE and lets hope Camaro makes the 10 speed auto a option in the ZL1 1LE.

bobby35ny · 03-18-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TRZ06

You have to give GM props on this front. I am proud that GM has stepped up and now will cover a track focused car that they market as a track car and cover it under full warranty.

GM is on the right track finally.

Much better than back in the day when they created the C5 Z06 (which was way ahead of its time in performance) and billed it as a track focus car, but would't cover shit.

I went thru 5 Z06's, in both C5 & C6 and most had issues. 2 bought back on the lemon law.

I was so over and done with GM for many years, but I have to say the ZL1 1LE is bringing me back after all these years.

The interior far exceeded my expectations, the performance is there, the components they are using are top notch, and they are covering you on the track.

Hurry up Nov., I need the lease on the M3 to be done.

Keep in mind... "Track Day" warranty. Not racing or Competition!!!

BIG Difference.
-Bobby

TRZ06 · 03-18-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bobby35ny

Keep in mind... "Track Day" warranty. Not racing or Competition!!!

BIG Difference.
-Bobby

I do neither, however, it is more than most others are offering. Ford, Audi, and BMW will do everything in their power to not cover shit.

Especially BMW, they suck balls in this regard.

bobby35ny · 03-18-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TRZ06

I do neither, however, it is more than most others are offering. Ford, Audi, and BMW will do everything in their power to not cover shit.

Especially BMW, they suck balls in this regard.

BMW breaks your balls on a leased car too?
-bobby

TRZ06 · 03-18-2018, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bobby35ny

BMW breaks your balls on a leased car too?
-bobby

Yep. I added coilover suspension (saving the original equipment, which will have very low mileage on it) and they give me shit about it.

Well, to F'ing bad!!! If they made a decent suspension , then I wouldn't need to change it out.

I'm not bitter at all

motorhead · 03-19-2018, 07:06 AM

You know we live in good performace times when 650HP isnt enough and 450hp is treated like having an 86 Caprice with a 4.3l V6. Can't wait to see the new snake. Why dis on the Snake anyhow? If it wasnt for the retro redesign of the Mustang in 05 and then the GT500's return in 2007 we may not be talking about 650hp Camaros and 700HP Mustangs. The Challenger threw their hat into the ring in 08 going all in with their top model thus the modern HP wars began. The Camaro has been a little late to the game ,but ultimately became the overhaul best modern (insert favorite adjective )car of the three at doing most of the boxes well. Im sure Chevrolet will have a response if the Snake ends up king. I really do believe however that the there is more to what makes a car speacial than it's specs on a track. There is a lot of history in the Shelby name, and it will always mean just a little more to own one over an RPO named Camaro. Sorry, just the way it is.

JB'sZL1 · 03-19-2018, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kttxz06

No it wouldn't. They could put it at $79k and they'd fly off the shelf. I'd be in line. If this GT500 is as advertised, I'm most def going to be trading in the Zl1 in on it. But, I won't be paying $100k for one either so. I have a hook up at Ford, so I should be able to get what I want with no mark up.

I don't understand how you arrived at that calculus.

They get $4.5k for the spoiler. CF hood, fenders, trunk lid and diffuser will be at least that much. You are already over $79k.

The LT5 (and all appendages) is a huge upgrade as well. That's how I arrive close to $100k.

$79k? Never.

JB'sZL1 · 03-19-2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Why dis on the Snake anyhow? If it wasnt for the retro redesign of the Mustang in 05 and then the GT500's return in 2007 we may not be talking about 650hp Camaros and 700HP Mustangs.

Yep.

$@#!stang started it all. GM and Dodge followed. And you have to wonder if Ford didn't "start" the hp war ten+ years ago...where we be now? Maybe still in awe at 450hp.

SliChillax · 03-19-2018, 07:35 AM

The Camaro will always have the better chassis.

ReefBlueCoupe · 03-19-2018, 12:34 PM

Good luck. I've had a bunch of Mustangs, and love them, but I don't have any confidence in this thing performing or lasting when they can't even make an N/A 526hp car reliable when used as intended.

TRZ06 · 03-19-2018, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SliChillax

The Camaro will always have the better chassis.

AGREED!!!

The 3 areas where GM has really made progress is in their suspension damping, chassis, and stability/traction control. Those are 3 areas very critical to a good road car and one that can takes corners well and feel composed and in control while doing it.

This is also where BMW has taken a shit.

With the exception of Porsche, Euro cars and American cars have role reversed.

03-18-2018, 10:13 AM	#57
2010REDSS Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bettendorf, Iowa Posts: 617	The GT500 is a good thing if you are a Chevy guy. Camaro, Vette, both. The current pony car wars rage on and that is good for everyone! Chevy's response will be better and more capable Camaros and Vettes..... The ZL1 1LE handles the GT 350R on a road course, no problem. We shouldn't be surprised....after years of delays....that Ford responded to the ZL1 with this car. My view is that Team Camaro is already well underway with the Camaro that will top the GT500. C'mon Chevy....get it built! __________________ 2018 ZL1 1LE "RAZECAR" 2016 2SS Convertible "NOTOPSS" (Sold) 2015 Z/28 #306 "ITZFAST" 2010 2SS Coupe "FASSTER" (Sold) 2002 SS/RS "02FASST" (Sold) 2007 Factory Five Racing GTM "REDBLUR" (Sold) "There are two kinds of cars. Red....and everything else!"

03-19-2018, 12:34 PM	#69
ReefBlueCoupe Drives: '18 ZL1 1LE MBM Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: VA Posts: 135	Good luck. I've had a bunch of Mustangs, and love them, but I don't have any confidence in this thing performing or lasting when they can't even make an N/A 526hp car reliable when used as intended. __________________ '18 MBM ZL1 1LE

03-19-2018, 07:06 AM	#65
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	You know we live in good performace times when 650HP isnt enough and 450hp is treated like having an 86 Caprice with a 4.3l V6. Can't wait to see the new snake. Why dis on the Snake anyhow? If it wasnt for the retro redesign of the Mustang in 05 and then the GT500's return in 2007 we may not be talking about 650hp Camaros and 700HP Mustangs. The Challenger threw their hat into the ring in 08 going all in with their top model thus the modern HP wars began. The Camaro has been a little late to the game ,but ultimately became the overhaul best modern (insert favorite adjective )car of the three at doing most of the boxes well. Im sure Chevrolet will have a response if the Snake ends up king. I really do believe however that the there is more to what makes a car speacial than it's specs on a track. There is a lot of history in the Shelby name, and it will always mean just a little more to own one over an RPO named Camaro. Sorry, just the way it is.

03-19-2018, 07:35 AM	#68
SliChillax Drives: Camaro ZL1 A10, F-Type R, RR Sport Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Albania Posts: 216	The Camaro will always have the better chassis.

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