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Old 03-19-2013, 03:23 PM   #127
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I think concentrating on reducing weight is a good thing. It will help improve performance, even in cars that aren't performance oriented.
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:50 PM   #128
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:10 PM   #129
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Weight reduction is paramount. Look at our competitors, they can use smaller engines to power their vehicles b/c they are far lighter on average vs. competitive GM vehicles. Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan. Most lighter than GM, all crushing GM in power to weight ratio and fuel economy.

Why would anyone pay 25K for a Malibu Eco to get 37 MPG highway when they can buy a base Nissan Altima 2.5S for under 24K and get 38 MPG highway?
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:20 PM   #130
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Weight reduction is paramount. Look at our competitors, they can use smaller engines to power their vehicles b/c they are far lighter on average vs. competitive GM vehicles. Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan. Most lighter than GM, all crushing GM in power to weight ratio and fuel economy.

Why would anyone pay 25K for a Malibu Eco to get 37 MPG highway when they can buy a base Nissan Altima 2.5S for under 24K and get 38 MPG highway?
Maybe so but the last time I rode in a Toyota Corrola when you shut the door it sounded like you were beating on the side of a garbage can, not a solid thunk you get with most American cars.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:31 PM   #131
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Maybe so but the last time I rode in a Toyota Corrola when you shut the door it sounded like you were beating on the side of a garbage can, not a solid thunk you get with most American cars.
but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:41 PM   #132
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but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
Not to me though.....
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:44 PM   #133
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reading this thread and all I can say is; if they make the 6th as bad ass in the looks department with a little more umph and a little less weight I am a happy owner! bring it on! it has gotta have the right attitude or no one will buy it. just like if the current Gen looked generic like the Mustang it would not have took back a large part of the market!
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:38 PM   #134
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but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
There is a segment (unfortunately a growing one) of car buyers who have little knowledge of what they are looking and no desire to have any clue what they are looking at. That is Toyota's base.

In short, the Corolla buyer is the reason the Corolla sells, not the merits of the Corolla itself, which became the car world's technological relic years ago after the Impala received the 3.6L/6-speed combo.
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:44 PM   #135
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but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
Impression is reality................................but it doesn't change the truth.

People still think if you buy a Toyota you are buying a higher quality car. Data says otherwise if you look at JD Power for example. But if you believe it to be true then it's true.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:21 PM   #136
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That not news to me, I was only stating the fact that Toyota outsells us. I know that Cruze is a superior product to Corolla in almost every conceivable way, but it obviously doesn't mean anything if the public is lead to believe otherwise.
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15 percent weight reduction with an LF3?. Like it or not, that's a game changer.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:21 PM   #138
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Am I the only one that likes big, heavy cars? After all, it is what American cars are known for. They look menacing, comfy to ride, and feel very secure, even in a Camaro or any other muscle car for that matter.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:32 PM   #139
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Am I the only one that likes big, heavy cars? After all, it is what American cars are known for. They look menacing, comfy to ride, and feel very secure, even in a Camaro or any other muscle car for that matter.
I've always liked cars that felt like they had some "heft" to them...I sure miss my '67 Impala...lol...

Anyways, I don't think even if it turns out to be 15% off these Camaro's weight now, that they will be that small...I've had mine next to many Gen1s...and was surprised how big mine was in comparison.....I think the next Gen will still be plenty big enough...
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....GM is taking the initiative for cleaner, more fuel efficient cars, with advanced technology, and is welcoming the Federal Government to join them in a National initiative....go to GM authority and read about it....
Does anyone else find this quote absurdly ironic?
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