04-25-2024, 09:42 AM | #1975 | |
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Civics when well taken care of can last decades. EVs have a short lifespan. That’s why there will be 2-3 EVs sold for every Civic (or Corolla, Camry, etc.).
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04-25-2024, 10:00 AM | #1976 |
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I'd be interested to see your data analysis here.
Tesla warranties their batteries for 8 years or 125k, and people are getting 200k+ with around only 10% capacity loss. I'm not aware of any ICV manufacturer who warranties anything for 125k, are you? |
04-25-2024, 11:19 AM | #1977 | |
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Let’s not conflate maintenance / longevity with repairability. Today EVs have a repairability problem. Parts distribution systems are not mature, especially for direct-to-customer sales (no dealership network). So they rely on the OE for parts supply to repair vehicles that have been physically damaged. This is not sustainable. Add to that the tendency for BEVs to be over the air updatable via software upgrades and you have a scenario where owners are more likely to keep older vehicles that acquire new capabilities via upgrades. The Tesla we bought in November now has capabilities it did not have when we bought it. Nothing spectacular. Just things like the Lane Departure Warning indicators now show a red line next to the camera view of the lane we’re looking to merge into if something is in the blind spot. But the thing is, people who bought similar cars in 2018 receive most of the same upgrades and now have product capability equivalent to a brand new car on the lot. This is not unique to EVs. ICE manufacturers are starting to add the same capability. But the point is, the continuous system upgrades and feature enhancement goes a long way towards keeping the vehicle fresh. Batteries are showing to last longer than originally expected provided the owners properly care for them and follow recommended charging instructions. A lot of owners are seeing single digit % drop off in the first year of operation, then leveling off for years. Proper care includes
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EVs are also constantly developing, getting more range per kW where ICE cars are about as economical as they are going to get. And why just Co2? Theres at least 20 harmful materials coming out of ICE tailpipes, theres none coming out of EVs. Other than that its a great argument. Quote:
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Here are a few of my random thoughts. EVs are not a new automotive concept. The concept has been around for decades. It has been as recent as a decade that EVs are slowly but surely approaching the mainstream automotive genre. Its acceptance continues to be mixed, and some of the reasoning is valid.
One of those reasonings is reliability. As far as a mode of transportation, EVs (in my experience) are fine utensils of transportation. They can reach your destination with far less noise and pollution. The issue comes with re-charging and re-energizing. On average it takes far more time to re-charge a battery cell, and at this writing it is unclear about options for battery servicing and replacement. In terms of real world reliability and acceptance, EVs have yet to exceed modern ICE vehicles. There are some factions that will refuse to give up ICE for EVs. If push came to shove, the majority of ICE owners will simply buy more Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas, and Chevrolet Silverado (yours truly included). ICE vehicles have endured at least ten decades of advancement, and the end result of some advancements are astonishing. Those advancements include power at any displacement, improved fuel efficiency, and technology advancements aimed at ICE vehicles. However, I feel that alternative energy sources are needed, and should continue to advance in development and marketing. The objective should always be to develop an improvement in the means of reliable transportation for all.
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