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J_Vibe92 · 06-02-2013, 10:37 PM

I have been wondering this for so long.

lscamaro · 06-02-2013, 10:38 PM

The ECU. More specifically, the coding

J_Vibe92 · 06-02-2013, 10:40 PM

i figured the ECU but if humans create somethings, human should easily be able to reverse it?

Vader2011v6 · 06-02-2013, 10:43 PM

Hopefully the coding will be figured out soon. It's a pain having to have a dyno and companies to email the tunes. Takes awhile

lscamaro · 06-02-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Vibe92

i figured the ECU but if humans create somethings, human should easily be able to reverse it?

Yes and no. Just because a human makes it, doesn't mean somebody else will always be able to crack it. Especially when it comes to coding. If someone wants to make something truly hard to crack, it's very possible to do. A perfect example of this would be the Dodge ECUs. They use a random coding that has been giving aftermarket tuning companies hell. It's been more than a few years and no luck yet. I think they're barely now starting to make progress with it.

In our case though, it's been cracked already by the likes of trifecta and IPF but it also comes down to companies seeing it was hard to crack, thinking there wouldn't be a big aftermarket for the v6 and moving on in the beginning. It wasn't until a little later after the initial release of the v6 that the aftermarket need was seen and by then, many companies had already moved on.

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Originally Posted by Vader2011v6

Hopefully the coding will be figured out soon. It's a pain having to have a dyno and companies to email the tunes. Takes awhile

Although I'd love to be optimistic, I don't think very many of the big companies will ever crack ours. They already moved onto the 2012+ v6s.

J_Vibe92 · 06-02-2013, 11:01 PM

yeah well im in the debacle where i want the ipf power gains from their tune but seeing trifecta is so much cheaper... :/ just trying to find out why its so hard and which is better

lscamaro · 06-02-2013, 11:11 PM

Only you can decide which is better for you. There's ample information on both. If it's worth it to you, go IPF. If not, then go trifecta

J_Vibe92 · 06-02-2013, 11:14 PM

true. but im thinking of going RX roots only because i like to be different. I know my next car will be a v8 and will probably buy around 25 when im out of college and grad school, but a rx sc with a ipf tune?

hunterv6 · 06-02-2013, 11:15 PM

I don't think its cracking the code that's the problem is the amount of tables that needs to be changed that stop other companies from putting out handheld and so on.

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lscamaro · 06-02-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Vibe92

true. but im thinking of going RX roots only because i like to be different. I know my next car will be a v8 and will probably buy around 25 when im out of college and grad school, but a rx sc with a ipf tune?

Probably not gonna happen, IPF only tunes their FI setups.

J_Vibe92 · 06-02-2013, 11:20 PM

thats what i was contemplating. but their tunes are so much better, and more pricier :/

lscamaro · 06-02-2013, 11:35 PM

It's a trade off. I already have a trifecta tune but I may be going with an IPF one soon to see if there are more gains

J_Vibe92 · 06-02-2013, 11:43 PM

is trifecta worth it for you? why go IPF if you say you dont trust the engine.. stay with trifecta if i was you

CamaroDreams07 · 06-03-2013, 12:56 AM

I'd definitely go IPF now if I was gonna do FI. RX and Trifecta can't get it done

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06-02-2013, 10:37 PM	#1
J_Vibe92 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,788	What makes the LLT untunable? I have been wondering this for so long. __________________ Performance Mods: Vararam Intake, MRTv2.0 exhaust, Elite Engineering CC, Vmax Black Iceolator, Vmax Ported TB, OBX LT Headers w/ no CATS, LMR Tune Visual mods: Eagle Eyes w/5k hids, Custom Hood Spears, Heritage Grille, Stage 2 LED Dome lights,Transformer Emblems, PD Bezels, 19in Chevy rims with pirellis, Blue painted calipers, GM GFX Front Splitter, 35/20 % Tint, TailLight Tint(charcoal) 1/4 Mile: 13.65 sec @ 102.53 mph R.I.P.

06-02-2013, 10:38 PM	#2
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	The ECU. More specifically, the coding __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

06-02-2013, 10:40 PM	#3
J_Vibe92 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,788	i figured the ECU but if humans create somethings, human should easily be able to reverse it? __________________ Performance Mods: Vararam Intake, MRTv2.0 exhaust, Elite Engineering CC, Vmax Black Iceolator, Vmax Ported TB, OBX LT Headers w/ no CATS, LMR Tune Visual mods: Eagle Eyes w/5k hids, Custom Hood Spears, Heritage Grille, Stage 2 LED Dome lights,Transformer Emblems, PD Bezels, 19in Chevy rims with pirellis, Blue painted calipers, GM GFX Front Splitter, 35/20 % Tint, TailLight Tint(charcoal) 1/4 Mile: 13.65 sec @ 102.53 mph R.I.P.

06-02-2013, 11:01 PM	#6
J_Vibe92 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,788	yeah well im in the debacle where i want the ipf power gains from their tune but seeing trifecta is so much cheaper... :/ just trying to find out why its so hard and which is better __________________ Performance Mods: Vararam Intake, MRTv2.0 exhaust, Elite Engineering CC, Vmax Black Iceolator, Vmax Ported TB, OBX LT Headers w/ no CATS, LMR Tune Visual mods: Eagle Eyes w/5k hids, Custom Hood Spears, Heritage Grille, Stage 2 LED Dome lights,Transformer Emblems, PD Bezels, 19in Chevy rims with pirellis, Blue painted calipers, GM GFX Front Splitter, 35/20 % Tint, TailLight Tint(charcoal) 1/4 Mile: 13.65 sec @ 102.53 mph R.I.P.

06-02-2013, 11:11 PM	#7
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	Only you can decide which is better for you. There's ample information on both. If it's worth it to you, go IPF. If not, then go trifecta __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

06-02-2013, 10:43 PM	#4
Vader2011v6 Drives: 2014 custom blue ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,246	Hopefully the coding will be figured out soon. It's a pain having to have a dyno and companies to email the tunes. Takes awhile

06-02-2013, 11:14 PM	#8
J_Vibe92 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,788	true. but im thinking of going RX roots only because i like to be different. I know my next car will be a v8 and will probably buy around 25 when im out of college and grad school, but a rx sc with a ipf tune? __________________ Performance Mods: Vararam Intake, MRTv2.0 exhaust, Elite Engineering CC, Vmax Black Iceolator, Vmax Ported TB, OBX LT Headers w/ no CATS, LMR Tune Visual mods: Eagle Eyes w/5k hids, Custom Hood Spears, Heritage Grille, Stage 2 LED Dome lights,Transformer Emblems, PD Bezels, 19in Chevy rims with pirellis, Blue painted calipers, GM GFX Front Splitter, 35/20 % Tint, TailLight Tint(charcoal) 1/4 Mile: 13.65 sec @ 102.53 mph R.I.P.

06-02-2013, 11:15 PM	#9
hunterv6 Always bet on Black Drives: 2011 turbo LS, 2012 f 150, Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Concord Nc Posts: 1,983	I don't think its cracking the code that's the problem is the amount of tables that needs to be changed that stop other companies from putting out handheld and so on. Sent from my iPad2 on space mountain __________________

06-02-2013, 11:20 PM	#11
J_Vibe92 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,788	thats what i was contemplating. but their tunes are so much better, and more pricier :/ __________________ Performance Mods: Vararam Intake, MRTv2.0 exhaust, Elite Engineering CC, Vmax Black Iceolator, Vmax Ported TB, OBX LT Headers w/ no CATS, LMR Tune Visual mods: Eagle Eyes w/5k hids, Custom Hood Spears, Heritage Grille, Stage 2 LED Dome lights,Transformer Emblems, PD Bezels, 19in Chevy rims with pirellis, Blue painted calipers, GM GFX Front Splitter, 35/20 % Tint, TailLight Tint(charcoal) 1/4 Mile: 13.65 sec @ 102.53 mph R.I.P.

06-02-2013, 11:35 PM	#12
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	It's a trade off. I already have a trifecta tune but I may be going with an IPF one soon to see if there are more gains __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

06-02-2013, 11:43 PM	#13
J_Vibe92 Drives: 2013 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,788	is trifecta worth it for you? why go IPF if you say you dont trust the engine.. stay with trifecta if i was you __________________ Performance Mods: Vararam Intake, MRTv2.0 exhaust, Elite Engineering CC, Vmax Black Iceolator, Vmax Ported TB, OBX LT Headers w/ no CATS, LMR Tune Visual mods: Eagle Eyes w/5k hids, Custom Hood Spears, Heritage Grille, Stage 2 LED Dome lights,Transformer Emblems, PD Bezels, 19in Chevy rims with pirellis, Blue painted calipers, GM GFX Front Splitter, 35/20 % Tint, TailLight Tint(charcoal) 1/4 Mile: 13.65 sec @ 102.53 mph R.I.P.

06-03-2013, 12:56 AM	#14
CamaroDreams07 Drives: Slow V6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 9,361 View My Garage	I'd definitely go IPF now if I was gonna do FI. RX and Trifecta can't get it done Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 __________________ [B]