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crimsongtp · 12-02-2015, 06:57 AM

Yes, I know the stock tires hate everything but warm, dry pavement. However, after just picking up my car for me, my wife is in IL with it until after the holidays in which we will drive back to Georgia. WHICH MEANS, I have to drive it from the northernest tip of IL down to GA in January. When you guys say the tires are bad in these conditions, how bad? I year round drove my GTO in the winter and it was awful but doable.

Basically, is it just a, go easy on the throttle and you will be fine or is it more like, no matter what you do, that thing will be a greased pig on ice.

Thanks

cowboy casey · 12-02-2015, 07:57 AM

greased pig on ice, do not drive them in temps under 40 degrees..... I went to an all season tire and love it so far, been in temps down to 22 degrees so far and work great.. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....C2AS&tab=Sizes

Here is the service bulletin for the G2..

PSB #2011-10

TO: Goodyear Contract Dealers, Goodyear Canada Inc. Dealers, Goodyear Company Owned Stores

Eagle F1 Supercar G:2 Summer Tires Not Recommended for Winter Use

Goodyear F1 Supercar G:2’s are D.O.T. approved ultra high performance summer tires with track capability. The rubber used in these tires loses flexibility and may develop surface cracks in the tire tread/shoulder area at colder temperatures. Goodyear does not recommend using these high performance summer tires when temperatures drop to approximately 40 deg F (5 deg C) or below, or in snow/ice conditions.

crimsongtp · 12-02-2015, 08:09 AM

well it's going to happen. I guess I should clarify. Car is in a heated garage and when it leaves it, it will drive straight to GA.

so who has done it and what was your experience

Billy10mm · 12-02-2015, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimsongtp

Yes, I know the stock tires hate everything but warm, dry pavement. However, after just picking up my car for me, my wife is in IL with it until after the holidays in which we will drive back to Georgia. WHICH MEANS, I have to drive it from the northernest tip of IL down to GA in January. When you guys say the tires are bad in these conditions, how bad? I year round drove my GTO in the winter and it was awful but doable.

Basically, is it just a, go easy on the throttle and you will be fine or is it more like, no matter what you do, that thing will be a greased pig on ice.

Thanks

Stock tires absolutely LOVE wet pavement ... when hot. Cold stock tires on wet pavement is another story.

That said ... if you are going to see any snow, the trip is off. If the temps are going to be below 20 degrees, the tires will crack. If the temps will be above that but below 40 degrees, you'll be lighting them up at 20% throttle at 1200 RPM in third gear ... it's like being on ice, until they warm up.

To warm them up, lower your tire pressure down to no more than 32 PSI and get the car up to highway speeds for a few minutes (be careful doing this obviously). Watch your tire pressures in the DIC and when you've seen a 3 or more PSI increase in pressure, then you've generated sufficient heat to where you are no longer a danger to yourself and others on the road. Don't expect summer-like traction during a full-out second gear pull, but you can expect to have more grip than most other vehicles on the road running their crappy all-seasons.

Thor142 · 12-02-2015, 08:43 AM

I've not driven them on snow and wouldn't attempt it. I have driven them on dry roads in the mid 30's low 40's and it's not the death trap everyone says. Just take it easy. The tires will let go pretty quick when it's cold out. Braking isn't terrible but acceleration and lateral grip is very poor. Cold and damp roads were about the same. Cold and heavy rain are scary, so I would advise against it.
Again, these are from personal observation.

Mgizzle · 12-02-2015, 11:05 AM

In all honesty, you should not drive the car in January on those tires. Just not worth it man. You will not get ANY heat into them just cruising on the freeway, my pressures actually drop on the freeway in the mid 40's. The traction is very poor in cold conditions, combined with chances of wet not worth it man. If there is ANY snow, dude, don't do it. My car is a burnout machine in 3rd gear at 40-45F weather at freeway speeds. Go rent a car man, do yourself and your new car a favor. Mine is already parked for the winter after my last fun milk drive....yeah that 3rd gear bit me a bit at 70mph and a bit of Tokyo drift action but all is good.

Matty Ice · 12-02-2015, 11:06 AM

I bought my 1le Jan 2nd of this year. Drove it 350mi in 30deg temps from OH to WI. It had the G2's with 3/4 of the tread left. I was exhausted by the time I got it home. Mentally and physically. I was worried and tense the whole way. It was not fun. Below 40 they are very slick. Below 30 the rear end will slide out on you in a 90deg turn with any throttle above 1500rpms. Below 20degs I am not sure you could make it to GA, they get brittle and crack, once that happens not sure if they will fall apart(chunks). Mine cracked just from sitting in temps below 20degs. 40deg rain over 50mph is scary/dangerous. If it is dry and above 25degs you should be okay. Any snow 1/2" or more, you aren't going anywhere.

Like Billy 10mm said, keep your cold pressure at 32psi, be careful until they max out at the psi warm temp(2-4psi more than cold). You will notice the difference once they warm up 2-4psi, but don't get cocky, they will give out when you least expect it. Good Luck!!!

gajagfan · 12-02-2015, 11:36 AM

My only fear would be with cracking. I grew up in Illinois and learned to drive in snow, ice, ice covered snow you name it. The car is not the death trap it is projected to be by some if you have a clue what you are doing. Tires will not loose pressure and heat going down the interstate (though they can loose some pressure when going from heated garage to cool air initially, but it will come back). Billy10mm is right about being extra careful until you see pressures come up with means that you have some heat in them. All this being said, try to plan this around a day that is as warm as it can be and don't leave at the butt crack of dawn (clouds overnight can get lead to warmer morning temps, maybe even near 40 by say 10 am). Wait till it warms up a bit. Also, southern Illinois is generally a good bit warmer than the northern part of the state, so your conditions will improve as you head south, and of course get better through KY, TN and into GA. You can do this, and do it safely as long as you are careful. Good luck and let us know how things go.

markgws6 · 12-02-2015, 12:55 PM

I agree with most of the above. I have lost traction before, but only in temps of around 50F or less, and the tires did not have sufficient temp in them when it happened and I was more than 1/2 throttle at the time. I have driven in high 30s and low 40s degrees dry easily with no problems and through some decent rain (40s-50s temps) with no issues at all. So it can be done (at above freezing temps).

markgws6 · 12-02-2015, 12:57 PM

This all being said, a "real" spare tire and/or AAA is not a bad idea for that far of a trip.

paul84043 · 12-02-2015, 01:42 PM

I drove my P-Zeroes in some nasty stuff before I knew that they were dangerous.
The G2's... good luck. I wouldn't do it.

Thor142 · 12-02-2015, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gajagfan

The car is not the death trap it is projected to be by some if you have a clue what you are doing. .

Exactly....

CapeCruisin · 12-02-2015, 03:24 PM

i've been driving in some 28-40 degree temps and have not killed myself yet, with these tires.
just be mindful of your right foot.
the service bulletin is just for GM to cover its own ass.
my friend that has had his 1LE for a year drove it with the stock tires in the snow last year (obviously he made sure the roads were plowed first) and his tires have not cracked and he's still in 1 piece, also.
YMMV
(i have a dedicated winter set of wheels/tires but haven't put them on yet)
good luck

Matty Ice · 12-02-2015, 08:35 PM

I don't know who said it was a death trap, you won't die driving on these tires unless you are doing something really stupid. But, it will/can get away from you unexpectedly. Sliding and hitting a curb, another car, or just going into the ditch and have to get towed out on the way would not be fun. Worst cases, you get stuck and have to wait a day or car is not drivable and you have to get it fixed or towed to your final destination. Pick a dryer and warmer day and you will be fine. Hopefully it will be a really warm day for the season and you will get to really enjoy the drive.

12-02-2015, 06:57 AM	#1
crimsongtp Drives: 2014 AGM SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Hinesville, GA Posts: 105 View My Garage	Stock tires in the cold/wet/snow Yes, I know the stock tires hate everything but warm, dry pavement. However, after just picking up my car for me, my wife is in IL with it until after the holidays in which we will drive back to Georgia. WHICH MEANS, I have to drive it from the northernest tip of IL down to GA in January. When you guys say the tires are bad in these conditions, how bad? I year round drove my GTO in the winter and it was awful but doable. Basically, is it just a, go easy on the throttle and you will be fine or is it more like, no matter what you do, that thing will be a greased pig on ice. Thanks

12-02-2015, 11:05 AM	#6
Mgizzle Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LE 1SS Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,252	In all honesty, you should not drive the car in January on those tires. Just not worth it man. You will not get ANY heat into them just cruising on the freeway, my pressures actually drop on the freeway in the mid 40's. The traction is very poor in cold conditions, combined with chances of wet not worth it man. If there is ANY snow, dude, don't do it. My car is a burnout machine in 3rd gear at 40-45F weather at freeway speeds. Go rent a car man, do yourself and your new car a favor. Mine is already parked for the winter after my last fun milk drive....yeah that 3rd gear bit me a bit at 70mph and a bit of Tokyo drift action but all is good. __________________ I work for General Motors and am not an official spokes person for General Motors. My views and opinions are my own and not those of General Motors.

12-02-2015, 11:36 AM	#8
gajagfan Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Black - Std Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Brunswick, GA Posts: 3,622 View My Garage	My only fear would be with cracking. I grew up in Illinois and learned to drive in snow, ice, ice covered snow you name it. The car is not the death trap it is projected to be by some if you have a clue what you are doing. Tires will not loose pressure and heat going down the interstate (though they can loose some pressure when going from heated garage to cool air initially, but it will come back). Billy10mm is right about being extra careful until you see pressures come up with means that you have some heat in them. All this being said, try to plan this around a day that is as warm as it can be and don't leave at the butt crack of dawn (clouds overnight can get lead to warmer morning temps, maybe even near 40 by say 10 am). Wait till it warms up a bit. Also, southern Illinois is generally a good bit warmer than the northern part of the state, so your conditions will improve as you head south, and of course get better through KY, TN and into GA. You can do this, and do it safely as long as you are careful. Good luck and let us know how things go. Last edited by gajagfan; 12-02-2015 at 01:32 PM.

12-02-2015, 12:55 PM	#9
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	I agree with most of the above. I have lost traction before, but only in temps of around 50F or less, and the tires did not have sufficient temp in them when it happened and I was more than 1/2 throttle at the time. I have driven in high 30s and low 40s degrees dry easily with no problems and through some decent rain (40s-50s temps) with no issues at all. So it can be done (at above freezing temps). __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

12-02-2015, 12:57 PM	#10
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	This all being said, a "real" spare tire and/or AAA is not a bad idea for that far of a trip. __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

12-02-2015, 07:57 AM	#2
cowboy casey Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: United States Posts: 111 View My Garage	greased pig on ice, do not drive them in temps under 40 degrees..... I went to an all season tire and love it so far, been in temps down to 22 degrees so far and work great.. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....C2AS&tab=Sizes Here is the service bulletin for the G2.. PSB #2011-10 TO: Goodyear Contract Dealers, Goodyear Canada Inc. Dealers, Goodyear Company Owned Stores Eagle F1 Supercar G:2 Summer Tires Not Recommended for Winter Use Goodyear F1 Supercar G:2’s are D.O.T. approved ultra high performance summer tires with track capability. The rubber used in these tires loses flexibility and may develop surface cracks in the tire tread/shoulder area at colder temperatures. Goodyear does not recommend using these high performance summer tires when temperatures drop to approximately 40 deg F (5 deg C) or below, or in snow/ice conditions. __________________ My Daily Driver, 2015 2SS, 1LE

12-02-2015, 08:09 AM	#3
crimsongtp Drives: 2014 AGM SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Hinesville, GA Posts: 105 View My Garage	well it's going to happen. I guess I should clarify. Car is in a heated garage and when it leaves it, it will drive straight to GA. so who has done it and what was your experience

12-02-2015, 08:43 AM	#5
Thor142 Drives: 2014 2LS (traded in) 2015 1SS 1LE Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: New York Posts: 2,132	I've not driven them on snow and wouldn't attempt it. I have driven them on dry roads in the mid 30's low 40's and it's not the death trap everyone says. Just take it easy. The tires will let go pretty quick when it's cold out. Braking isn't terrible but acceleration and lateral grip is very poor. Cold and damp roads were about the same. Cold and heavy rain are scary, so I would advise against it. Again, these are from personal observation.

12-02-2015, 11:06 AM	#7
Matty Ice Drives: 2015 SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 537	I bought my 1le Jan 2nd of this year. Drove it 350mi in 30deg temps from OH to WI. It had the G2's with 3/4 of the tread left. I was exhausted by the time I got it home. Mentally and physically. I was worried and tense the whole way. It was not fun. Below 40 they are very slick. Below 30 the rear end will slide out on you in a 90deg turn with any throttle above 1500rpms. Below 20degs I am not sure you could make it to GA, they get brittle and crack, once that happens not sure if they will fall apart(chunks). Mine cracked just from sitting in temps below 20degs. 40deg rain over 50mph is scary/dangerous. If it is dry and above 25degs you should be okay. Any snow 1/2" or more, you aren't going anywhere. Like Billy 10mm said, keep your cold pressure at 32psi, be careful until they max out at the psi warm temp(2-4psi more than cold). You will notice the difference once they warm up 2-4psi, but don't get cocky, they will give out when you least expect it. Good Luck!!!

12-02-2015, 01:42 PM	#11
paul84043 Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lehi, Utah Posts: 1,349 View My Garage	I drove my P-Zeroes in some nasty stuff before I knew that they were dangerous. The G2's... good luck. I wouldn't do it.

12-02-2015, 03:24 PM	#13
CapeCruisin Daily Driver 24/7 365 Drives: '15 CRT 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 827	i've been driving in some 28-40 degree temps and have not killed myself yet, with these tires. just be mindful of your right foot. the service bulletin is just for GM to cover its own ass. my friend that has had his 1LE for a year drove it with the stock tires in the snow last year (obviously he made sure the roads were plowed first) and his tires have not cracked and he's still in 1 piece, also. YMMV (i have a dedicated winter set of wheels/tires but haven't put them on yet) good luck __________________ NPP Fuse Pull, Z28 CAI = Previous Rides: 2005 Magnum R/T A5 CAI, Cat-Back 2014 RRM Camaro 1LT/RS A6/NPP CAI Follow Me On Instagram!

12-02-2015, 08:35 PM	#14
Matty Ice Drives: 2015 SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 537	I don't know who said it was a death trap, you won't die driving on these tires unless you are doing something really stupid. But, it will/can get away from you unexpectedly. Sliding and hitting a curb, another car, or just going into the ditch and have to get towed out on the way would not be fun. Worst cases, you get stuck and have to wait a day or car is not drivable and you have to get it fixed or towed to your final destination. Pick a dryer and warmer day and you will be fine. Hopefully it will be a really warm day for the season and you will get to really enjoy the drive.