[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The 500 pounds (pipe dream by the way) mostly comes from being smaller. If not then it's premium materials that will jack the price to stratospheric levels.

There are a lot of ways to reduce the weight of vehicles, one way that everyone hears about is with the use of expensive materials in the construction of a vehicle. The Current V-6 Camaro in it's lightest trim is something around 3,702 pounds (base 2LS Camaro). 2002 V-6 Camaro was 3,306 pounds (a difference of 400 pounds)....

The number one reason why the 5th generation Camaro weighed what it did is for the same reason why the current BMW 5 series is so heavy. They worked with a chassis that simply was not ideal, as a result of this the next 7 series is slated to actually weigh less then the current 5 series.

The number one ideal way to develop a Camaro would be from the ground up (its own chassis and all) however it would cost more to do so. It will save development dollars to use an existing platform once more though the alpha platform is a much better starting point for a sporty two door 2+2.

Everyone seems to be all over the map when it comes to their guesses of how much will the next Camaro weigh in at.

Honestly I think that the number one biggest thing that adds weight is the ever growing waste of Americans and the ever increasing expectations of comfort.

[2cnd chance]

Very few new "sporty cars" weigh less than 3,500 lbs. Many are nearing 4,000 lbs. and some are even over 4,000 lbs.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by doc7000

There are a lot of ways to reduce the weight of vehicles, one way that everyone hears about is with the use of expensive materials in the construction of a vehicle. The Current V-6 Camaro in it's lightest trim is something around 3,702 pounds (base 2LS Camaro). 2002 V-6 Camaro was 3,306 pounds (a difference of 400 pounds)....

The number one reason why the 5th generation Camaro weighed what it did is for the same reason why the current BMW 5 series is so heavy. They worked with a chassis that simply was not ideal, as a result of this the next 7 series is slated to actually weigh less then the current 5 series.

The number one ideal way to develop a Camaro would be from the ground up (its own chassis and all) however it would cost more to do so. It will save development dollars to use an existing platform once more though the alpha platform is a much better starting point for a sporty two door 2+2.

Everyone seems to be all over the map when it comes to their guesses of how much will the next Camaro weigh in at.

Honestly I think that the number one biggest thing that adds weight is the ever growing waste of Americans and the ever increasing expectations of comfort.

You yourself highlighted why it's a pipe dream. A 12 year old car that can't meet today's emissions OR safety requirements and is not even close to meeting body syiffness requirements to be competitive let alone class leading for ride and handling was STILL 100 pounds heavier than what you hope for.

The BMWs you refer to are $50,000 and up and will use premium materials more than simple engineering to get the weight out.

The only hope for an SS weighing less than 3600 pounds is simply that the spy photos appear to be an even smaller car than I imagined.

Could we see a base 4 cylinder pushing down to 3300 pounds, the weight of a current Chevy Cruze? Maybe if they really make it a smaller car. But the ATS coupe is about as low as we could expect and add at least 250 pounds on top of that for an SS.

[ThrashMetalGuy]

Originally Posted by smggugfaw

Hey, that's a good idea. Lets do a 5th gen overlay:





I dunno. Maybe the body lines are so similar because of the tarp?

That's pretty cool how you did that. Nice work!!

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You yourself highlighted why it's a pipe dream. A 12 year old car that can't meet today's emissions OR safety requirements and is not even close to meeting body syiffness requirements to be competitive let alone class leading for ride and handling was STILL 100 pounds heavier than what you hope for.

The BMWs you refer to are $50,000 and up and will use premium materials more than simple engineering to get the weight out.

The only hope for an SS weighing less than 3600 pounds is simply that the spy photos appear to be an even smaller car than I imagined.

Could we see a base 4 cylinder pushing down to 3300 pounds, the weight of a current Chevy Cruze? Maybe if they really make it a smaller car. But the ATS coupe is about as low as we could expect and add at least 250 pounds on top of that for an SS.

Weight really gets over played.....

Will the Camaro get this "magic" 500 pounds of weight savings? I doubt it....

Are their car makers that are dropping weights on their cars today? yes they are doing it and they are doing it just fine and at low prices too.

Will GM go some of those routes with the Camaro?.... I think that when people get into a 2016 Camaro they expect it to drive more premium then lets say a 1967 Camaro. I feel as though that the customer base of the Camaro cares about performance but not to the point of spiting comfort to lets say the level of a Lotus Elise or a Mazda Miata or a Scion FRS. They like having big cushy seats that are heated (and probably cooled by 2016), They like having a silky smooth and quiet ride. The ride of these cars are not that far off of a Mercedes Benz not that long ago..... I think what really has changed is what the customer base of these cars want. They could probably easily produce a 3,000 pound Camaro, however the real question is can they sell this 3,000 pound Camaro to people. I honestly do not think that the buying public really wants a 3,000 pound Camaro.

[Destructo09]

Originally Posted by doc7000

Weight really gets over played.....

Will the Camaro get this "magic" 500 pounds of weight savings? I doubt it....

Are their car makers that are dropping weights on their cars today? yes they are doing it and they are doing it just fine and at low prices too.

Will GM go some of those routes with the Camaro?.... I think that when people get into a 2016 Camaro they expect it to drive more premium then lets say a 1967 Camaro. I feel as though that the customer base of the Camaro cares about performance but not to the point of spiting comfort to lets say the level of a Lotus Elise or a Mazda Miata or a Scion FRS. They like having big cushy seats that are heated (and probably cooled by 2016), They like having a silky smooth and quiet ride. The ride of these cars are not that far off of a Mercedes Benz not that long ago..... I think what really has changed is what the customer base of these cars want. They could probably easily produce a 3,000 pound Camaro, however the real question is can they sell this 3,000 pound Camaro to people. I honestly do not think that the buying public really wants a 3,000 pound Camaro.

Wait, did you just say the Camaro has a cushy ride like a somewhat older benz? I've driven a '70s benz and it's ride was way more cushy than the Camaro, lol. The Camaro rides like a sports car, stiff.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Destructo09

Wait, did you just say the Camaro has a cushy ride like a somewhat older benz? I've driven a '70s benz and it's ride was way more cushy than the Camaro, lol. The Camaro rides like a sports car, stiff.

It is hard to compare the ride of different eras of cars....... especially considering that suspension tuning has differed over the years. Many Mercedes have a ride that is plenty stiff though part of the issue is the difference in what constitutes a good ride. Germans want a capable but compliant ride in the last decade and a half, sure I would expect a Mercedes S class to be less so. With the smaller ones being more so.......

Also US spec cars often got a softer suspension tuning then their European version....

[z928]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Add up the countries that are RHD and then subtract from that the countries that basically exclude imports from the US and you'll see the sales opportunity is pretty small.

I hope they do make the Camaro a true world car, though, and RHD is the only way to make that happen.

yea true. RHD market is small & RHD countries like UK , Japan & Malaysia allows LHD to be sold at the dealers. Also many RHD countries like India, Bangladesh& some RHD African countries(Kenya etc etc)- I don't think Camaro would make a good sale in those countries.

If the 6th gen Camaro is available in RHD. I would be the first customer

[16Camaroracer]

okay render with this

[16Camaroracer]

Here something for lights


Dont worry about grille it will be done

[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by 16Camaroracer

okay render with this

Originally Posted by 16Camaroracer

Here something for lights


Dont worry about grille it will be done

Having trouble with pics? First post worked, second one and most of your other post are not working.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by 16Camaroracer

Here something for lights
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui...af67&zw&atsh=1
Dont worry about grille it will be done

Can't link from your mailbox

[16Camaroracer]

You'll dont see the pic (Im getting another one soon) i see it

[16Camaroracer]

I hope the camaro 6th gen has RHD as an option
Otherwise another awww with camaros