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Moto-Mojo · 01-17-2018, 03:02 PM

No, it’s not a street race, don’t call the cops! My son in law just bought a ‘slightly’ used Hellcat - 5K miles. He let me drive it yesterday. He likes to cruise around in track mode. So I did too. It came with P Zeros and it was nearly impossible to keep them hooked up - in track mode, through the first three gears. If you pressed on the go pedal much. It was a manual trans.

I know many here have 700HP or more but my question is, can you really use it? Unless you’re actually tracking it, to this lowly, stock SS driver, it seemed almost too much on the street. Aren’t you either burning up tires or brakes depending on what mode you’re in?

It was the first 700+ HP car I’d ever driven.

Maybe I’m showing my age but that car seemed TOO much compared to mine. Time to revoke my man card?

imaSSnake · 01-17-2018, 03:08 PM

I'm jealous, the most horsepower I've ever driven was 475 in my Grand Cherokee SRT.
Obviously I can't add much, but I am curious too. So I'll subscribe

sdynak · 01-17-2018, 03:22 PM

I'd love to hear some of the 700+ guys & gals here as well.. I mean the numbers are just so unrealistic from the old days where that was really only found on drag machines or heavily modified street machines. Now it is not uncommon to hear those #'s and I wonder if they are real when it comes to raw power.. does something like boost exaggerate HP on a dyno vs. naturally? But based on OP experience it seems not.

My only high HP was a buddy of mine many moons ago back in HS.. he worked for a performance eng builder and had a sweet setup in a rather beat up 69 Nova.. recall somewhere close to 500 dyno #'s and when I drove it that was un-streetable.. now it had an open rear and plain radials but there was no time you could ever really hit the hammer w/o spin. Looking forward to my cam install with #'s close to that.. Boy was it fun but hazardous for what it was.

DRKS1D3 · 01-17-2018, 03:31 PM

The car came stock with 275 all-season tires

, but you could upgrade to 275 summer-only tires. No, with 707hp, those tires are too narrow. For a mere ~$7k you can purchase the upgraded widebody package, and it still won't hook up. The only way to harness that power is heated drag radials or slicks.

Fiat (Dodge) seems to favor hp numbers over real world performance. The Demon is good for what? A 1/4 mile that'll get you kicked off the track and a late-night, red light to red light throw down.

Eh, to each their own.

Moto-Mojo · 01-17-2018, 03:45 PM

I’m glad I’m not alone. We drove around the ‘burbs where we live and even on the more rural roads, the fun was over in mere seconds or else you were out of pavement. At least straight pavement! Don’t get me wrong, I loves me some HP but the city ain’t the place for 707 of it!

13BRM2SSRS · 01-17-2018, 04:40 PM

Did you notice if the key was black or red?

Black is "limited" to 500hp Red is the full 707hp at least it was based on a 2015.

Would be fun either way

Moto-Mojo · 01-17-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 13BRM2SSRS

Did you notice if the key was black or red?

Black is "limited" to 500hp Red is the full 707hp at least it was based on a 2015.

Would be fun either way

The kid is 20-something. It was red- like the head of a peter on a poodle!

NC_SS · 01-17-2018, 04:59 PM

I just want 500 to the wheels lol

Moto-Mojo · 01-17-2018, 05:02 PM

This was the unruly beast. Those tires and wheels almost look like they’re on the wrong car.

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Taylortoons · 01-17-2018, 05:46 PM

I'm driving 775 whp on stock SS rims/tires and 3.91 gears. Not a problem at all. She also has a big cam, so driving through parking lots and traffic jams takes a little getting used to.

I don't dump the clutch from a standstill or turn off traction control, but she'll scratch 3rd and 4th gear. LOL!!

Moto-Mojo · 01-17-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Taylortoons

I'm driving 775 whp on stock SS rims/tires and 3.91 gears. Not a problem at all. She also has a big cam, so driving through parking lots and traffic jams takes a little getting used to.

I don't dump the clutch from a standstill or turn off traction control, but she'll scratch 3rd and 4th gear. LOL!!

How long have you had this kind of power? If a while, am I right that if you’re burnin’ that kind of coal the traction control is working the brakes harder?

imaSSnake · 01-17-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_SS

I just want 500 to the wheels lol

#metoo

StreetRage320 · 01-17-2018, 07:24 PM

interesting post..I am only 580 at crank, plenty for 0-45MPH. I would like more for that 45MPH & up. So I am saving up for mods, but only targeting another 125 at crank.

I agree that at somepoint (700hp & up), unless you have drag radials, it is just wasted HP at digs from a stop or low speed roll. But since I do not have a 700rwhp car, who am I to say it is too much..

Talladega · 01-17-2018, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by imaSSnake

#metoo

#methree

01-17-2018, 03:02 PM	#1
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	Stock Hellcat and a Stock Camaro SS No, it’s not a street race, don’t call the cops! My son in law just bought a ‘slightly’ used Hellcat - 5K miles. He let me drive it yesterday. He likes to cruise around in track mode. So I did too. It came with P Zeros and it was nearly impossible to keep them hooked up - in track mode, through the first three gears. If you pressed on the go pedal much. It was a manual trans. I know many here have 700HP or more but my question is, can you really use it? Unless you’re actually tracking it, to this lowly, stock SS driver, it seemed almost too much on the street. Aren’t you either burning up tires or brakes depending on what mode you’re in? It was the first 700+ HP car I’d ever driven. Maybe I’m showing my age but that car seemed TOO much compared to mine. Time to revoke my man card? __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

01-17-2018, 03:08 PM	#2
imaSSnake 'Maro Drives: 2015 SS 6.2L Auto 2SS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: US Posts: 867	I'm jealous, the most horsepower I've ever driven was 475 in my Grand Cherokee SRT. Obviously I can't add much, but I am curious too. So I'll subscribe __________________ 2015 SS 2SS Auto 93 SCT Perf, Kooks LTH & HFC MBRP Axleback Muffler Delete "Z/28" Spoiler and Grille OEM ZL1 wheels 285/305/35R20 BFG G-force Pro Comp 2

01-17-2018, 03:22 PM	#3
sdynak Drives: 2010 1SS Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Bayville, NJ Posts: 936	I'd love to hear some of the 700+ guys & gals here as well.. I mean the numbers are just so unrealistic from the old days where that was really only found on drag machines or heavily modified street machines. Now it is not uncommon to hear those #'s and I wonder if they are real when it comes to raw power.. does something like boost exaggerate HP on a dyno vs. naturally? But based on OP experience it seems not. My only high HP was a buddy of mine many moons ago back in HS.. he worked for a performance eng builder and had a sweet setup in a rather beat up 69 Nova.. recall somewhere close to 500 dyno #'s and when I drove it that was un-streetable.. now it had an open rear and plain radials but there was no time you could ever really hit the hammer w/o spin. Looking forward to my cam install with #'s close to that.. Boy was it fun but hazardous for what it was. __________________ 2010 1SS LS3, Black, 235/250, .621/.615, 114 + 4, Kooks Stepped Headers, 3.91's, Bo White PTB, Flowmaster Mufflers, Cold Air Industries CAI, Apex Scoop & Windshield Washer Relocate, SLP Wheels, Skip Shift Eliminate, Barton Flat Stick, OEM HID/Halos, Dyno Tuned by ECS

01-17-2018, 03:31 PM	#4
DRKS1D3 Drives: '17 Corvette Grand Sport M7 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,748	The car came stock with 275 all-season tires , but you could upgrade to 275 summer-only tires. No, with 707hp, those tires are too narrow. For a mere ~$7k you can purchase the upgraded widebody package, and it still won't hook up. The only way to harness that power is heated drag radials or slicks. Fiat (Dodge) seems to favor hp numbers over real world performance. The Demon is good for what? A 1/4 mile that'll get you kicked off the track and a late-night, red light to red light throw down. Eh, to each their own. __________________ MY RIDE: 2017 CORVETTE GRAND SPORT--TRIPLE BLACK, 7 SPEED MANUAL, VARARAM TCR-7 INTAKE, BORLA CATLESS X-PIPE, CARBON FIBER STAGE 2 AERO, MGW SHORT-THROW SHIFTER SOLD2011 TRIPLE BLACK SS CONVERTIBLE--6 SPEED MANUAL, MANY MODS, 455 RWHP/435 RWTQ DAD'S RIDE: 2012 ZL1 #1866--BLACK, 6 SPEED MANUAL, EXPOSED CF HOOD, POLISHED WHEELS, SUNROOF, ROTO-FAB INTAKE "Silly Americans, taking from the rich and giving to the poor only works in fairy tales. Success is earned here!".

01-17-2018, 03:45 PM	#5
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	I’m glad I’m not alone. We drove around the ‘burbs where we live and even on the more rural roads, the fun was over in mere seconds or else you were out of pavement. At least straight pavement! Don’t get me wrong, I loves me some HP but the city ain’t the place for 707 of it! __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

01-17-2018, 04:40 PM	#6
13BRM2SSRS Drives: 13 Camaro 2SS Vert L99 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 632 View My Garage	Did you notice if the key was black or red? Black is "limited" to 500hp Red is the full 707hp at least it was based on a 2015. Would be fun either way __________________ Black GFX / Dynatech Supermaxx LT Headers / FR Black Chrome ZL1 Replicas 275/315 / RDP Tune / CAI / VMAX TB / MBRP SS Catback / Gtechniq CSL & EXOV3 / VTC / RX Catch Can / Valentine 1 / Halo DRL / LED Fogs

01-17-2018, 04:59 PM	#8
NC_SS Drives: 2012 M6 Camaro SS (RIP) Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,684	I just want 500 to the wheels lol __________________ Speed engineering 1 7/8 LTs, CAI inc Cold Air Intake, offroad connectors, Solo performance axle back with J pipes, tune, and in need of a driver mod LOL

01-17-2018, 05:02 PM	#9
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	This was the unruly beast. Those tires and wheels almost look like they’re on the wrong car. __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

01-17-2018, 05:46 PM	#10
Taylortoons Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 482	I'm driving 775 whp on stock SS rims/tires and 3.91 gears. Not a problem at all. She also has a big cam, so driving through parking lots and traffic jams takes a little getting used to. I don't dump the clutch from a standstill or turn off traction control, but she'll scratch 3rd and 4th gear. LOL!! __________________ GPI Built Procharger D-1/13 PSI/Race Intercooler/SS3 Cam Kit/Kooks LTH/X- pipe/FIC 1050/E85/3.91 gears/Centerforce Dual Disc clutch/Flowmaster Outlaw/775whp/680tqSOLD

01-17-2018, 07:24 PM	#13
StreetRage320 Those who need me got me Drives: 2022 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Southwest, MN Posts: 624	interesting post..I am only 580 at crank, plenty for 0-45MPH. I would like more for that 45MPH & up. So I am saving up for mods, but only targeting another 125 at crank. I agree that at somepoint (700hp & up), unless you have drag radials, it is just wasted HP at digs from a stop or low speed roll. But since I do not have a 700rwhp car, who am I to say it is too much.. __________________