[Crash76]

http://news.boldride.com/2015/04/gm-...illegal/76702/


Sorry this has to be my first post. Great forum. Good info, looking forward to contributing more as time passes.

-Jason

[That_old_guy]

Sure hope that doesn't happen, that's just stupid.

[xgnxs]

Incorrect. They don't want to make you working on your own car illegal. They want to make it illegal to modify the software that comes with the car - trying to protect it (the vehicle / software) under the DMCA. This article is all hypothetical anyway. Not to mention, I'm sure you've all seen how effective the DMCA is at preventing piracy. No one pirates anything now...

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by xgnxs

Incorrect. They don't want to make you working on your own car illegal. They want to make it illegal to modify the software that comes with the car - trying to protect it (the vehicle / software) under the DMCA. This article is all hypothetical anyway. Not to mention, I'm sure you've all seen how effective the DMCA is at preventing piracy. No one pirates anything now...

Plus, I would like to see the first car company try to enforce that....

In headlines today, ISCC (Increadably Stupid Car Company) had Joe Sixpack arrested on charges he worked on his car.

What do you think is going to happen to sales in the ISCC dealership showrooms?

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Plus, I would like to see the first car company try to enforce that....

In headlines today, ISCC (Increadably Stupid Car Company) had Joe Sixpack arrested on charges he worked on his car.

What do you think is going to happen to sales in the ISCC dealership showrooms?

It would make tuning / flashing the ECU illegal, but even then, in the article it states that they just want to lock people out from modifying the safety features that are controlled by the ECU, and that other things could still be legally modified (making it sound like it will still be very possible to mod your car and get a custom tune - as long as it doesn't interfere with safety features).

Journalism at its finest...

"Hey guys, we really don't want you to be able to disable the air bags and other ECU controlled safety features. We think that it should be illegal, really." = "CAR COMPANIES WANT TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO CHANGE YOUR OWN OIL."

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by xgnxs

It would make tuning / flashing the ECU illegal, but even then, in the article it states that they just want to lock people out from modifying the safety features that are controlled by the ECU, and that other things could still be legally modified (making it sound like it will still be very possible to mod your car and get a custom tune - as long as it doesn't interfere with safety features).

Journalism at its finest...

"Hey guys, we really don't want you to be able to disable the air bags and other ECU controlled safety features. We think that it should be illegal, really." = "CAR COMPANIES WANT TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO CHANGE YOUR OWN OIL."

I understand what is really going on, but think of how the press will report the enforcement to increase readership, and I think you will see where I am coming from. Car companies are not going to want to let the press spin that event.

No one is going to be prevented from working on his/her car.

Plus, I am not sure the existing law is the right one, but that is another discussion altogether.

[SuperSound]

Just look at what happened to smartphone jail breaking. Same thing will happen, your right to modify the software as long you know it will waive your rights to complain if something happens.

[newb]

With that being said, As cars move towards autonomous operation, there has to be some types of checks in place to prevent tampering with the associated computer systems. And you can say what you want about autonomous cars, but its coming. It may not be in the immediate future, but its coming quickly.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by newb

With that being said, As cars move towards autonomous operation, there has to be some types of checks in place to prevent tampering with the associated computer systems. And you can say what you want about autonomous cars, but its coming. It may not be in the immediate future, but its coming quickly.

True. I feel like the kind of people who will want to buy autonomous cars won't be the same kind who will want to modify them though. At least, until they eventually make driving your own car illegal...

[Optimus]

While I highly doubt it will happen in my lifetime, cars driven by people will be outlawed sometime in the future. Hopefully my Camaro will still be in good working order so my Grandkids can take it out for a drive in the country. If you are a fan of Rush (The Canadian Rock Trio, not the dude on the radio) then you already know what I am talking about. If not, listen to Red Barchetta...

[fbodfather]

an irresponsible article at the least...............

[MBS]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

an irresponsible article at the least...............

Well let me ask you this then please.
Would owners be able to have a tune done on their 6th gen Camaros or would Gm prohibit it .? That after all is pretty big for those wanting to eliminate the government requirements that you have to sustain to , and allow us enthusiasts to get the extra power left on the table .

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by MBS

Well let me ask you this then please.
Would owners be able to have a tune done on their 6th gen Camaros or would Gm prohibit it .? That after all is pretty big for those wanting to eliminate the government requirements that you have to sustain to , and allow us enthusiasts to get the extra power left on the table .

I remember reading how Dodge had their ECU's locked so you could not change the tune on them. The Challenger guys were trying to find a way to crack the code.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by MBS

Well let me ask you this then please.
Would owners be able to have a tune done on their 6th gen Camaros or would Gm prohibit it .? That after all is pretty big for those wanting to eliminate the government requirements that you have to sustain to , and allow us enthusiasts to get the extra power left on the table .

This article, despite the clickbait headline, seems to suggest that the only thing it would be illegal to mess with would be the safety settings in the ECU