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09-12-2014, 12:32 PM
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Read the charts. Why name calling?
Supporting Camaro top dogs my friend. Maybe you are just "dense". What did you think was meant by Triple Play. Had VIR put the 3 camaros on the track at the same time with soft tires ALL would have been in the top ten! Now that is making a statement. Chill.
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09-12-2014, 10:02 PM
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Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013
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Hard to believe with the steel unibody, pushrod small block V8, normal manual trans, and 4 seats.
I guess the other MFR's need to rethink things. When a 3800lb car with 60's tech kicks you solidly in the nuts IN THE TIGHT SECTIONS, that's gotta sting. 
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09-12-2014, 10:37 PM
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60s tech? What is 60s tech about the Z/28?
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09-12-2014, 11:14 PM
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09-13-2014, 12:13 AM
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Drives: 2014 SW 1LE Join Date: Jan 2014
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I'm still suprised at how big the gap is between the Z/28 and the GT3. Would like to see Car and Driver throw the new GT3 RS up there and see how it compares.
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09-13-2014, 01:27 AM
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Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013
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Weight - 3800lb. Engine - Pushrod 2V V-8 Transmission - true manual Any other car in that list qualify? EDIT - I drive a ZR1 & CTS-V & Z06 and others. I had a Z/28 on order but gave up after 6 months. That test report in the article reinforces my earlier decision to run a Z/28. But... the ZR1 is not a piece of shit either. Same price. But not enough seats. Still don't know if made the right decision to bail on the order. But if I accepted GM allowing me to order a car in January, have a build date in May, get pushed to June, then not giving me an answer if they would ever ship it in August, that would be giving them a slap on the back for the worst ordering system I've seen to date.
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2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes. Last edited by McRat; 09-13-2014 at 01:40 AM. |
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09-13-2014, 12:30 PM
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Urban legend is the ultimate troll. Seems like most have fiven up after the past few pages. Thank god. Love listeningtl to real track drivers
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09-13-2014, 01:56 PM
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1le with z28 tires
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09-13-2014, 02:00 PM
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09-13-2014, 02:08 PM
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09-13-2014, 02:11 PM
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09-14-2014, 11:12 AM
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First, R-compound tires like Trofeo Rs and high performance brake pads like the Z/28s need to be up to operating temperature before you really know how they'll perform. It has been my experience that all R compound tires (and I've personally gone through sets of Corsas, MPSCs, Nitto NT-01s and Hoosiers) need a couple laps before you can get on them hard. Before that, they are not very grippy. And this was confirmed in a couple of the Z/28 reviews about the Trofeo Rs as well, they start out slippery but work up to tremendous grip levels. The Trofeo Rs need heat in them before they perform well. Same with brake pads to some extent, depending on the compound, and I would assume that the CCBs on the Z/28 perform better after a lap or two. For these reasons, this MT tire swap test was flawed from the beginning. All that matters in the world of track cars are lap times. I promise you that if they had done a 20+ minute session the Trofeo Rs would have completely blown away the Goodyears. The 1LE would have been much faster on Trofeo Rs than on the G2s, and the Z/28 would have been slower on the G2s than on the Trofeo Rs. The Goodyears get greasy after they heat up (I wore mine out before replacing them and have plenty of experience with this excellent street tire), whereas an R compound comes to life. Secondly, yes, auto manufacturers tune the suspension to get the maximum out of a tire. But for a well-executed high performance suspended car like the 1LE and the Z/28, I think you're only going to get a marginal increase by tuning the suspension after swapping tires. This is true especially if the car has an aggressive alignment from the factory. On the Viper for example, it comes with Pirelli Corsas. The Viper engineers made a set of wheels in ZR1 sizing and put the ZR1's MPSCs on it, and knocked over two seconds off their lap at Laguna Seca! I'm not talking about most MPSCs such as those in Viper sizes, but the latest MPSC run flats that were designed for the ZR1. This was confirmed to me by those at the very top of the SRT organization. This is with zero changes to suspension tuning. And if the Trofeo Rs are better than the ZR1's MPSCs, what does that tell you? Viper owners are pissed that Ralph Gilles tweeted a picture of a Trofeo R over year ago, and implied that they were coming to the Viper. But no, we are stuck with the inferior Corsas. Don't get me wrong, the Corsa is not a bad tire, but it's not in the same league as the latest R compounds such as the Trofeo R or the MPSC2. Sometimes business relationships dictate what tire a car ends up with, it's not as simple as an auto manufacturer wanting to equip a car with a specific tire. I'm sure Ralph would give us the Trofeo Rs if he could, not sure why that hasn't happened. Maybe we will get an improved tire on the Viper TA 2.0. Most serious track guys end up changing two things, even if they leave the rest of their suspension unchanged: An aggressive track alignment (lots of negative camber, and perhaps a change in toe), and tires. Trofeo Rs are probably the top tire out there today unless you move into a dedicated track R compound tire like a Hoosier.
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09-14-2014, 11:33 AM
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Great analysis, how does it affect going from a staggered to square and the other way. That seems quite a jump from 305s all the way around to the 1LE staggered. They mentioned when GM was trying the swap with the ZL1 they said they would have to retune the ZL1 in order for the test to work.
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09-14-2014, 11:44 AM
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Matt "Dropspeed" ought to be able to give us his impressions of a 1LE with Trofeo Rs. Looking forward to his track reports, I will put more weight in Matt's impressions than on this MT test. Just for kicks, I may try running 315s in the front and 335s in the rear on my next set of Hoosiers. John of CCW said it's the best set up for a winged car. It'll be fun to see what happens to lap times.
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