Iron Man part 3 plot

2001ragtop · 05-20-2013, 03:50 PM

I want to mention this about Iron Man 3:

I have a STRONG feeling lots of people might be "upset" about who the Ben Kingsley character is being compared with.

Guy Pearce's character said something like "Oh yeah, him, him and him...yeah they are all fakes"....playing a role...someone else bigger behind the scenes....etc."

I guess enough time has passed that it's okay to just go ahead and say that in movies now.

I just was surprised they did that. They also mentioned lots of other things on "other" topics you normally are not allowed to discuss out loud.

Very interesting movie that was....

PoorMansCamaro · 05-20-2013, 04:08 PM

just watched this movie yesterday, it was great! just about as good as the first one, if not better!

CamaroSkooter · 05-20-2013, 04:23 PM

Wait, what are you concerned with again? I'm not following...

*Camaro_Corvette* · 05-20-2013, 04:28 PM

Not following you either.

jewel25 · 05-20-2013, 05:22 PM

Great movie. IMO best one of them all.

AZCamaroFan · 05-20-2013, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2001ragtop

I want to mention this about Iron Man 3:

I have a STRONG feeling lots of people might be "upset" about who the Ben Kingsley character is being compared with.

Guy Pearce's character said something like "Oh yeah, him, him and him...yeah they are all fakes"....playing a role...someone else bigger behind the scenes....etc."

I guess enough time has passed that it's okay to just go ahead and say that in movies now.

I just was surprised they did that. They also mentioned lots of other things on "other" topics you normally are not allowed to discuss out loud.

Very interesting movie that was....

i was thinking the Mandarin was the closest we've seen onscreen to a certain terrorist....and Then..

i got the impression that they were trying to push that 'the bad guys aren't really who you think they are" In othe words the terrorists.

CamaroSkooter · 05-21-2013, 10:03 AM

I hate revealing spoilers, but I don't think there's any way of discussing this without doing so. So, here's my disclaimer:

Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert!

My biggest problem with the movie interpretation of the Mandarin (and Aldrich Killian, for that matter) is...well...everything.

The Mandarin is supposed to be a genius scientist and a "superhumanly" skilled martial artist that uses the Ten Power Rings he adapted from the technology in a crashed alien space ship as a source of power.

Aldrich Killian is supposed to be the scientist who (along with Maya Hansen) develops the Extremis virus and then steals a sample and secretly sells the virus to domestic terrorists. In the comics, he ends up shooting himself over the guilt of his actions.

But in the movie The Mandarin is just a puppet (played by a drugged up hippie actor, Ben Kingsley) for Killian in this diabolical scheme to gain control of the US through another puppet in place as the Vice President after killing the President on live TV.

So, in one fell swoop, Hollywood has effectively destroyed all of the potential conflict Iron Man could have had with The Mandarin in future films, and concurrently made the references to The Ten Rings in the first movie completely wasted and useless.

The more and more I think about the plot of Iron Man 3, the more I get pissed off at how royally Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios have screwed up the movie adaptation.

It's weird, though, because I actually enjoyed the movie for what it was: entertaining. But there was so much more potential there to explore and it just got wiped away because someone thought it would be neat to have a conspiracy theory plot twist.

And don't even get me started on how they failed to really explore the uses of all those new suits in detail.

PoorMansCamaro · 05-21-2013, 10:09 AM

I really don't think there will be any more iron man movies, unless they are reboots. and for how well Robert downey jr did, it think it will be a long time before we see a reboot. lol

only things we can look forward to, is another avengers movie, maybe 2 more. So i'm thinking, instead of getting into full detail about the mandarin and the 10 rings, they wanted to make it the last movie of the series. but that's just me thinking out loud. lol

AZCamaroFan · 05-21-2013, 10:18 AM

did you walk out before the end of the credits PMC? it said "Tony Ttark will Return", and Downey has already made jokes about "renegotiating" a new contract.
i don't know why the writer and director made the choice he did, but when the swerve happened in the movie it kind of let the air out of the whole thing for me.
plus early in the movie the Mandarin seemed like a realistic terrorist and then it got WAY sci-fi by the end.

PoorMansCamaro · 05-21-2013, 10:22 AM

no, I left when the credits started. I stayed during the graphical credits, or whatever you want to call it. lol but when the black screen went up, and the normal credits started rolling, I left.

and he may be back...in avengers. lol

even if there is an iron man 4, there are tons of plots to use.

CamaroSkooter · 05-21-2013, 10:23 AM

Well, the Extremis stuff was already going to have to be very science-fiction-y, and I thought they pulled it off very well, honestly.

But, come on, you're already in a world where Iron Man interacts relatively frequently with gods from another planet and with a guy who can turn into a "giant green rage monster" so how could anything else be TOO sci-fi?

AZCamaroFan · 05-21-2013, 10:23 AM

ah you missed the secret scene too. Tony's naration..he was telling one of the Avengers his story the whole time.

jewel25 · 05-21-2013, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

did you walk out before the end of the credits PMC? it said "Tony Ttark will Return", and Downey has already made jokes about "renegotiating" a new contract.
i don't know why the writer and director made the choice he did, but when the swerve happened in the movie it kind of let the air out of the whole thing for me.
plus early in the movie the Mandarin seemed like a realistic terrorist and then it got WAY sci-fi by the end.

Is this the contact for Avengers? I heard those contacts are not finalized.

AZCamaroFan · 05-21-2013, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Well, the Extremis stuff was already going to have to be very science-fiction-y, and I thought they pulled it off very well, honestly.

But, come on, you're already in a world where Iron Man interacts relatively frequently with gods from another planet and with a guy who can turn into a "giant green rage monster" so how could anything else be TOO sci-fi?

yeah i know. i also didn't like the Mark42 armor. yes it's in the comics, but it's just too far fetched...tony's in florida and he can 'call' his armor from tennessee...

05-20-2013, 03:50 PM	#1
2001ragtop Drives: V8 american car Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,417	Iron Man part 3 plot I want to mention this about Iron Man 3: I have a STRONG feeling lots of people might be "upset" about who the Ben Kingsley character is being compared with. Guy Pearce's character said something like "Oh yeah, him, him and him...yeah they are all fakes"....playing a role...someone else bigger behind the scenes....etc." I guess enough time has passed that it's okay to just go ahead and say that in movies now. I just was surprised they did that. They also mentioned lots of other things on "other" topics you normally are not allowed to discuss out loud. Very interesting movie that was....

05-20-2013, 04:08 PM	#2
PoorMansCamaro Drives: Really Slow Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: PA Posts: 56,958	just watched this movie yesterday, it was great! just about as good as the first one, if not better! __________________

05-20-2013, 04:23 PM	#3
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05-21-2013, 10:03 AM	#7
CamaroSkooter Retarded One-Legged Owl Drives: 2010 Black Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 9,745	I hate revealing spoilers, but I don't think there's any way of discussing this without doing so. So, here's my disclaimer: Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! Spoiler Alert! My biggest problem with the movie interpretation of the Mandarin (and Aldrich Killian, for that matter) is...well...everything. The Mandarin is supposed to be a genius scientist and a "superhumanly" skilled martial artist that uses the Ten Power Rings he adapted from the technology in a crashed alien space ship as a source of power. Aldrich Killian is supposed to be the scientist who (along with Maya Hansen) develops the Extremis virus and then steals a sample and secretly sells the virus to domestic terrorists. In the comics, he ends up shooting himself over the guilt of his actions. But in the movie The Mandarin is just a puppet (played by a drugged up hippie actor, Ben Kingsley) for Killian in this diabolical scheme to gain control of the US through another puppet in place as the Vice President after killing the President on live TV. So, in one fell swoop, Hollywood has effectively destroyed all of the potential conflict Iron Man could have had with The Mandarin in future films, and concurrently made the references to The Ten Rings in the first movie completely wasted and useless. The more and more I think about the plot of Iron Man 3, the more I get pissed off at how royally Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios have screwed up the movie adaptation. It's weird, though, because I actually enjoyed the movie for what it was: entertaining. But there was so much more potential there to explore and it just got wiped away because someone thought it would be neat to have a conspiracy theory plot twist. And don't even get me started on how they failed to really explore the uses of all those new suits in detail. __________________ My VIN = 2G1FK1EJ9A9105017 Build Date: 04-23-2009 according to: http://www.compnine.com/vid.php

05-21-2013, 10:09 AM	#8
PoorMansCamaro Drives: Really Slow Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: PA Posts: 56,958	I really don't think there will be any more iron man movies, unless they are reboots. and for how well Robert downey jr did, it think it will be a long time before we see a reboot. lol only things we can look forward to, is another avengers movie, maybe 2 more. So i'm thinking, instead of getting into full detail about the mandarin and the 10 rings, they wanted to make it the last movie of the series. but that's just me thinking out loud. lol __________________

05-21-2013, 10:18 AM	#9
AZCamaroFan Camaro6 2016-2018 Drives: sometimes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 18,450	did you walk out before the end of the credits PMC? it said "Tony Ttark will Return", and Downey has already made jokes about "renegotiating" a new contract. i don't know why the writer and director made the choice he did, but when the swerve happened in the movie it kind of let the air out of the whole thing for me. plus early in the movie the Mandarin seemed like a realistic terrorist and then it got WAY sci-fi by the end. __________________

05-21-2013, 10:22 AM	#10
PoorMansCamaro Drives: Really Slow Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: PA Posts: 56,958	no, I left when the credits started. I stayed during the graphical credits, or whatever you want to call it. lol but when the black screen went up, and the normal credits started rolling, I left. and he may be back...in avengers. lol even if there is an iron man 4, there are tons of plots to use. __________________

05-21-2013, 10:23 AM	#11
CamaroSkooter Retarded One-Legged Owl Drives: 2010 Black Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 9,745	Well, the Extremis stuff was already going to have to be very science-fiction-y, and I thought they pulled it off very well, honestly. But, come on, you're already in a world where Iron Man interacts relatively frequently with gods from another planet and with a guy who can turn into a "giant green rage monster" so how could anything else be TOO sci-fi? __________________ My VIN = 2G1FK1EJ9A9105017 Build Date: 04-23-2009 according to: http://www.compnine.com/vid.php

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