[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No Dodge sold 1449 more outdated 10-yro platform, no handling Challengers than Chevy did with their brand new high tech, ulta handling 6th Gen Camaros.

Feb 2014 6211 (5-yro 5th Gen platform)
Feb 2015 6373 (6-yro 5th Gen platform)
Feb 2017 4658 (Brand new 6th Gen platform)

Yes there is no problem.

Also you tie Cadillac ATS & CTS to the Camaro lets look in comparison to the Challenger/Charger/300 total sales.

February 2017
Dodge/Chrysler - 18,423
Chevy/Cadillac - 6,576

Popularity does not mean that the car is better either overall or at any one thing individually. Especially when it comes to performances. Only more popular.


Norm

[chrisvr6]

hellcat ? no chance

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by mlee

Looks like we are going to re-do this one with my A10.

Auto vs Auto this time. Just need to get some break-in miles on and sync up both our schedules...

But this is on!!!

When is the big day?

[mlee]

Originally Posted by hotlap

When is the big day?

Between the 12 and the 19th

I should get the date nailed down in a couple days.

[96MrBass]

PLEASE dig race these mofo's win, lose or draw can't wait.

[Childs Play]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Popularity does not mean that the car is better either overall or at any one thing individually. Especially when it comes to performances. Only more popular.


Norm

Exactly. The 5th gen 5.0 was much better on the quarter mile than the 5th gen SS. Although depending on which model, you could argue when was better on the track. The Camaro sold more.

This gen I believe the problem is that Chevy thought they could ride the Transformers train through the next gen and got lazy. The platform is excellent, however many people I talk to can't tell the difference between a late 5th gen and a 6th gen.

The style, while updated, is still a bit outdated. I think retro has ran its course and Chevy is finding this out by bad sales. I for one am ready for a full modern redux on the Camaro. However I'll most likely still buy a 6th gen at some point either this year or next.

That being said, we don't know what numbers they're aiming for as far as overall sales. Even still I doubt they're overly excited with how low they are even if they're hitting their numbers.

[TheRealJA105]

I'm all for modern too, and I think the 6th gen looks way more modern than the 5th. However, i'm not sure the retro has run it's course. The Challenger looks ancient and I think that is still helping its sales.

[KMPrenger]

I just don't think the 6th gen has much of anything we could say is "retro" at all. Does it have some of the same styling characteristics as say...a 1st gen? (hips, long hood)...well sure it does. But this is hardly retro, as a 6th gen looks hardly anything like a 1st gen.

Does it look too much like a 5th gen? Maybe. But this is subjective.

[TransAmx2]

My 2 cents;
I would gladly take either, both are fabulous cars
Difficult to do an apples to apples comparison because of their differences
HC can seat 4 adults, ZL1 weighs 500-600 pounds less
HC has a more comfortable ride because it's a bigger car, ZL1 will take it on a road track because of it's lighter weight, bigger tires and better suspension
HC does the best it can with its weight and actually handles well for what it is, ZL1 is a newer lighter platform with more advanced technology.
HC styling is retro and appeals to some more than others, ZL1 styling is more modern and also appeals to some more than others (personal preference)
Both take well to mods, both have quality interiors

I feel the HC's biggest limiting factors are the ability to fit larger tires in the rear, which might be overcome with "Demon" wide body kits (if that look appeals to you) and the terrible Dodge service department horror stories which I hear a lot more about than any Ford or GM service department complaints.
I feel that the ZL1's biggest limiting factors are it's "Camaro blind spot stigma" and the fact you can't really seat more than 2 adults (if that's a factor in your decision).

If I was going to buy one or the other new I would likely choose the ZL1 as I don't need the extra seating and I can live with the "Blind spot". That being said if I had $65k to spend on a car I would seriously consider one of the dozens of 2016 HellCats with less than 10kmi on them for $55k on e-bay or cars.com and pocket the difference, or reinvest in performance mods

[mlee]

Just got a text from John... he got two A10's in this week so did a live FB video already.

Much better race this time around... A10 rocks

https://www.facebook.com/john.hennessey.925

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by mlee

Just got a text from John... he got two A10's in this week so did a live FB video already.

Much better race this time around... A10 rocks

https://www.facebook.com/john.hennessey.925

https://youtu.be/cO9185E9e_E

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by mlee

Just got a text from John... he got two A10's in this week so did a live FB video already.

Much better race this time around... A10 rocks

https://www.facebook.com/john.hennessey.925

Looked to me like the 1st race the ZL1 got a good jump. Races 2-3 as expected.

[BoostedX2]

Originally Posted by mlee

Between the 12 and the 19th

I should get the date nailed down in a couple days.

MLEE--Did this happen yet or did I miss it? Maybe I was sleeping....lol!

[IneedAZ]

I was just looking at the Hellcat forum and there are a lot of 10.7-10.8 times stock on DR. These cars are 57hp more, but same TQ as us. They weigh a few hundred pounds more,so we should be in the same time range IMO.