02-04-2018, 07:40 PM | #155 | |
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Just my .02. We've been looking at sales figures for this generation for almost two years, now...and it's been the same story since day 1. Most people in here, so far, seem to be under the impression that these sales number are somehow "bad". Yet - we haven't heard anything so far as to suggest the Camaro is a money loser, and is therefore on the chopping block. If that were the case, you know we'd hear it! I maintain that while of course they want to sell as many as possible, this generation, Chevy decided to intentionally charge a premium vs the competition, NOT sell to fleets (because that's what Mustang does ), and make more money than Gen 5 while selling fewer. Note they're still not putting very much money on the hoods of these cars... I don't necessarily think they wanted to sell this many fewer cars (January)...but we're all in here judging the success or failure of the vehicle program based solely on sales figures, and there's so many other factors involved. Naturally we all want the Camaro to sell more cars than Mustang...more cars than Challenger...more cars than Camry....but those people up in Detroit are pretty smart - I don't think the sky is falling, just yet. |
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02-04-2018, 07:59 PM | #156 |
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Some year end numbers for 2017 if anyone is interested. Camaro finished the year at ~4% fleet, Mustang 26% fleet and Challenger at 29% fleet.
Retail ATP's 2017 (JDPin) Camaro: $39,514 Challenger: $35,498 Mustang: $33,792 Retail Sales 2017 Camaro: 65,222 Mustang: 60,581 Challenger: 45,821
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They haven't made a peep as Ram slowly gains on the Silverado as those sales continue to slide. Quote:
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02-04-2018, 08:18 PM | #158 | |
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Camaro 1LT, 2LT, and 1LS models accounted for 59% of total deliveries for MY 2017, as a reference. And 58% of those cars paid for the RS package. The cost on those cars add up quick with options. You're probably onto something, though...at least one of the factors, after all, they sold 2x as many ZL1s as 1LSs, for example. |
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You either sell as many cars as you produce or you end up with surplus inventory. I'd imagine GM produces close to 5000 Camaro's a month since that's about as many as they have been selling on average. Of course, April could be an awesome month to offset January and all work out great. The question is, will this trend continue? ATP doesn't mean much if you aren't selling cars.
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The initial retail numbers are great...But at some point all those other fleet sales by the competition end up on the road in private hands, and they weren't built by Chevrolet... |
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02-04-2018, 09:38 PM | #162 | |
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MEDISIN has been posting this info for much of 2017
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02-04-2018, 10:01 PM | #163 |
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Car is too expensive for what it is. 2 door coupe with limited visibility,hard to get in an out of, and is a chey. Where I am located Chevy ain't the most trusted brand. Only chevys you see around are trucks , or shit boxes.
I hope they do not sell much at all. So they can drop the price more and I can get one for dirt cheap Bring back the RED tag deals!! no more of this Cash credit crap that has been available ever since. |
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Hello - Show me the money! We could have won total sales by dumping many more Camaros onto rental lots at minimum profit. ATP and Retail sales winner! $$$ The refresh is coming soon, and will reboot the pricing structure. Mustang is just refreshed and sold 4k in Jan. Thanks for posting Medisin!
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02-05-2018, 03:37 AM | #167 |
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There are no tracks here where I live. So, having a car built up for track use, when no tracks available makes no sense. Yes in USA there might be.
Also, I'm in Canada. Prices are over inflated with no real discounts ever. We do not have the same discounts you have in the USA especially with all those rebates . Did i mention no one drives Chevs here? So, from speaking in this perspective. I see why no one wants the camaro here |
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What are you talking about man I'm in Canada as well. People drives domestic here unless they live in the city. GM has the number two sales of all auto manufacturers in the country for 17. Some of us work in the Auto industry so please get your facts straight before you post Unsurprisingly, Ford (308,474), General Motors (302,826) and Fiat-Chrysler (267,052) were the top-selling companies in Canada in 2017. GM, in fact, saw its sales increase by 13.3% in comparison with 2016. The top 5 list for Canada was rounded out by Toyota (199,782) and Honda (176,951). These were followed by Nissan (134,244), Hyundai (129,696), Kia (76,504), Mazda (74,056) and Volkswagen (69,634). Read more at https://www.auto123.com/en/news/2017...cumtpRWbT5o.99 https://www.auto123.com/en/news/2017...-canada/64278/ |
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