13' 1LE VS 10' challenger R/T hemi 5.7

[Stew]

Originally Posted by calebparkin3

Im confused by your post lol

It was me G35 said was in a Ford Wet Dream lol.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by calebparkin3

And you need to get off of GM's nuts!

The mustang build quality was no doubt better than then 4th gen fbody. Not great by any means, but still better than the 4th gen.

Design was more unique, how so? It had the exact same interior as just about every other GM of the time. The only thing that saves the Fbody in the looks department is the WS6.

The 4.6 2V is an amazing sounding motor. Sound is also subject to each individual person. What sounds good to one doesn't to the other

Again where are you getting that the LS1 is more reliable then a 4.6?

Almost all of your points are related to performance, which it has been stated that besides power, and performance the mustang of the same years blow the Camaro away. You cant argue against this its proven by the number of mustangs that were sold vs the number of Fbodies that were sold.

Before you tell me to get out of my ford wet dream, I am by no means a Ford guy. I am a car guy it doesn't have anything to do with who's name is on it.

Tell me again why you buy a muscle car? The 2v mustang gt was a complete joke and slower then v6 accords for half its existence. It fails at it's designed purpose.



An LS1 is also much more reliable then any modular motor. The t5 trans in the mustang and the 4r70w are a complete laughing stock compared to the T56 in the f body.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Tell me again why you buy a muscle car? The 2v mustang gt was a complete joke and slower then v6 accords for half its existence. It fails at it's designed purpose.



An LS1 is also much more reliable then any modular motor. The t5 trans in the mustang and the 4r70w are a complete laughing stock compared to the T56 in the f body.

Wow, let's reset the record again lol. Please show me some proof that the LS1 is more reliable or the the T56 more so that the 4R70W or the T-45 (not T-5) (mid 90s to mid 01 ) or the TR-3650(mid 2001-2004).

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Tell me again why you buy a muscle car? The 2v mustang gt was a complete joke and slower then v6 accords for half its existence. It fails at it's designed purpose.



An LS1 is also much more reliable then any modular motor. The t5 trans in the mustang and the 4r70w are a complete laughing stock compared to the T56 in the f body.

It actually prevailed at its designed purpose...To sell. That is the only reason it was made was to sell. Ford cares about making money and out selling the competitor. The 2v did that with flying colors!

I buy a Muscle car because that's what I like! I like the looks the sound and the performance. 98% of the people that buy them though, don't care about the performance. They just see a sporty good looking car that's fun to drive.

You say that the LS1 is much more reliable than any mod motor. That fact that you think that shows how unknowledgeable and closed minded you are. I don't think either transmissions used in the Mustangs are a laughing stock. They drive and shift just fine. They defiantly take some abuse. Can they take the power the T56 can, no. would I rather have a T56, yes. does that make the other two in the mustang a laughing stock, no. I'm just wondering what the transmission has to do with how reliable each engine is though?

Just to clear things up. I don't think the LS1 is an unreliable engine. It is a very reliable engine. Is it more reliable than a mod motor, no. Is the mod motor more reliable than the LS1, no. They are both reliable, both have horror stories, and both have stories of lasting 400K miles without an issue.

You keep talking about performance of the 4th gen. No one has disagreed that the performance was much better then the 2v. However the mustang was the better all around vehicle. That's not just my opinion, it is back up by the hard numbers of the sales of the two.

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by Stew

It was me G35 said was in a Ford Wet Dream lol.

HaHa I know he was talking to you, I was just making it clear before he said I was just up Fords ass too lol..

[Stew]

Originally Posted by calebparkin3

HaHa I know he was talking to you, I was just making it clear before he said I was just up Fords ass too lol..

I know, I was just joking around at G-Strings expense lol.

[08-G35s/6MT]

There are reasons good condition SS and WS6's are $10-12k while the 98-02 2v's are right at $5k

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

There are reasons good condition SS and WS6's are $10-12k while the 98-02 2v's are right at $5k

I just did a quick Autotrader search for 98-02 V8 mustangs and Camaros. The average price for a Mustang GT with 1086 listings is $9,868. The average price for a Camaro SS is 13,005 with 403 listings. You were spot on for a good condition Camaro price wise. Pretty far off on the mustang though. 5K is what a beat up, highmilage, or not taken care of Mustang will go for. Seem like you are giving numbers for a good condition Camaro vs a poor condition mustang.

I agree a good condition SS will bring little high price tag, few reason as to why.

1) Finding a good condition one that hasent been ragged out is pretty uncommon. Of corse there are some out there, but they are becoming more and more rare everyday.

2) The numbers that were made is a lot smaller compaired to the Mustang. Lower sales equates to lower volumes of cars.

3)Wasnt the price of a new camaro quite a bit steeper than the Mustang GT? My 03 GT i had stickered just under 24K fully optioned. wasnt the Camaro in the 27-30K area? I dont know for sure on this one as im going off memory, and its been a few years since they were new lol



You seem to be grasping for anything to help you stay a float lol

[Stew]

Originally Posted by calebparkin3

I just did a quick Autotrader search for 98-02 V8 mustangs and Camaros. The average price for a Mustang GT with 1086 listings is $9,868. The average price for a Camaro SS is 13,005 with 403 listings. You were spot on for a good condition Camaro price wise. Pretty far off on the mustang though. 5K is what a beat up, highmilage, or not taken care of Mustang will go for. Seem like you are giving numbers for a good condition Camaro vs a poor condition mustang.

I agree a good condition SS will bring little high price tag, few reason as to why.

1) Finding a good condition one that hasent been ragged out is pretty uncommon. Of corse there are some out there, but they are becoming more and more rare everyday.

2) The numbers that were made is a lot smaller compaired to the Mustang. Lower sales equates to lower volumes of cars.

3)Wasnt the price of a new camaro quite a bit steeper than the Mustang GT? My 03 GT i had stickered just under 24K fully optioned. wasnt the Camaro in the 27-30K area? I dont know for sure on this one as im going off memory, and its been a few years since they were new lol



You seem to be grasping for anything to help you stay a float lol

All points are correct sir. Besides a stripped out base Z28 or Formula, the optioned out cars were high 20s to as much as mid 30s. From new to used and production wise a Cobra would be more comparable on the pricing front than the GT.

[ULTRAZLS1]

I used to have a 98 z28 with full bolt ons and heads/cam. Loved the car. It was comparable to my current car in a straight line with the edge to my current car. Handling wise the 5th gen blows it out.

Speaking of prices. I got the car for 8k in 2004 and it had 70k miles on it. Car was a base z28 6 speed. The guy was a stock broker who just bought a new viper and basically just wanted to get rid of it quick.

I am biased...but in my opinion the 4th gen was a lot better than the 99-04 mustang. It was a chicks car that had no balls that I still see 10 of every day.

[08-G35s/6MT]

There are more z28's then SS Camaro's.... The SS was a normal Z with a body kit and 10 extra hp

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

There are more z28's then SS Camaro's.... The SS was a normal Z with a body kit and 10 extra hp

my search included the z28

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

There are more z28's then SS Camaro's.... The SS was a normal Z with a body kit and 10 extra hp

But usually not any faster.

Most of the best times were reported on no option z28's/formulas with 16 inch wheels.

My 98 weighed only 3297 lbs 1/3 tank of gas. No option car with crank windows. No weight reduction other than spare and jack removed and I removed the junk stock monsoon amp which might have weighed 2-3 lbs.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

There are more z28's then SS Camaro's.... The SS was a normal Z with a body kit and 10 extra hp

Mostly, it also also had suspension tweaks to halp the handling, unique larger rims and tires.