Suspension: Myth vs Fact - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

ndtguy · 07-01-2012, 12:05 PM

Very good write up. Just thought I'd share.

http://hewsoninc.ca/mythinformation.htm#lca_brackets

demonspeed · 07-02-2012, 09:47 AM

One must keep in mind (and be completely honest with themselves) the type of driving they do and what they want from their vehicle.

ndtguy · 07-03-2012, 01:20 AM

True. If straight line is your thing, poly it.

If taking turns is your thing, I would stay away from Poly on the axle side (rubber or rod/rotor joint).

Snap oversteer is a scary thing.

pv-camaro · 07-03-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ndtguy

True. If straight line is your thing, poly it.

If taking turns is your thing, I would stay away from Poly on the axle side (rubber or rod/rotor joint).

Snap oversteer is a scary thing.

The bushings for the lower control arms could be changed with the 1LE ones (same ones sold by Moog).
For the panhard this is a different story, the only performance options are the ones with polybushing en Rod/rotor ends.

The panhard from the SS Camaro/Firebird is not available anymore, so there is nothing more to choose

ndtguy · 07-03-2012, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pv-camaro

The bushings for the lower control arms could be changed with the 1LE ones (same ones sold by Moog).
For the panhard this is a different story, the only performance options are the ones with polybushing en Rod/rotor ends.

The panhard from the SS Camaro/Firebird is not available anymore, so there is nothing more to choose

I plan on running 1LE bushings in my LCAs. I looked for a 1LE PHB and couldn't find one so like you, its off to the aftermarket for mine.

demonspeed · 07-03-2012, 09:26 AM

Not that I believe it's not possible, but I have a hard time believing that snap-oversteer is actually a concern, even with the poly bushings, with the three link setup 3rd/4th gens have. If anyone has spent time in a fox body, they will know how easy snap-oversteer occurs. However, it's not something that easily occurs in the Camaro - even with the bushings (in my experience, anyway).

xXSilencerXx · 07-03-2012, 11:21 AM

I'm running poly bushings, with my LCA's on the lowest setting. I run the car hard and Auto-X it regularly. I have no issues with getting loose in the corners.

That said I don't like the poly bushings and will be swapping to Adjustable LCA's with roto joints in the future. The poly does bind, make a lot of noise, and is rougher than needed. I was just a noob when I bought them 3 years ago and was lead to believe they were the best at the time...

ndtguy · 07-03-2012, 02:57 PM

I know Fox body oversteer all to well.

I didn't have snap-oversteer with the TA, but I don't recall pushing it anywhere near as hard as I do with this SS (unless of course you count the turbo spooling up hard in the middle of the apex, that increases the pucker factor quickly).

I got the link off of LS1tech in a thread where the guy was having a lot of issues with snap-oversteer. I re-read the article and he added a 3rd gen (22mm?) rear bar on his car without upgrading the front bar (30mm) on his 4th gen. He also had poly bushings everywhere in his setup, so who knows? He was told to put the 19mm bar back on. If he still had issues, the next step was to get rid of the poly.

07-01-2012, 12:05 PM	#1
ndtguy ^ Me. Things I write ~> Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 325	Suspension: Myth vs Fact Very good write up. Just thought I'd share. http://hewsoninc.ca/mythinformation.htm#lca_brackets __________________ ndtguy New DD: 2010 Camaro SS L99/A6 - bone stock. Gone but not forgotten... - 2001 Camaro SS m6 - SLP lid, free ram-air mod, poly sway bar bushings/end links, BMR springs and bilsteins. - 1998 Trans Am m6, forged 347, T70;alky-water injection; intercooled, 208/230 .549/.579 121LSA, Moser 12 bolt, 561rwhp/611rwtq.

07-02-2012, 09:47 AM	#2
demonspeed not afraid of the wall Drives: Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,148	One must keep in mind (and be completely honest with themselves) the type of driving they do and what they want from their vehicle. __________________ 2023 1LE 1SS BCD GCF JF5 MN6 SIA SLN UQT 10/13/22: 1100 Past Camaros: 13 1LE\|02 SS\|01 Z28\|00 SS\|91 1LE\|91 Z28\|89 IROC-Z

07-03-2012, 01:20 AM	#3
ndtguy ^ Me. Things I write ~> Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 325	True. If straight line is your thing, poly it. If taking turns is your thing, I would stay away from Poly on the axle side (rubber or rod/rotor joint). Snap oversteer is a scary thing. __________________ ndtguy New DD: 2010 Camaro SS L99/A6 - bone stock. Gone but not forgotten... - 2001 Camaro SS m6 - SLP lid, free ram-air mod, poly sway bar bushings/end links, BMR springs and bilsteins. - 1998 Trans Am m6, forged 347, T70;alky-water injection; intercooled, 208/230 .549/.579 121LSA, Moser 12 bolt, 561rwhp/611rwtq.

07-03-2012, 09:26 AM	#6
demonspeed not afraid of the wall Drives: Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 2,148	Not that I believe it's not possible, but I have a hard time believing that snap-oversteer is actually a concern, even with the poly bushings, with the three link setup 3rd/4th gens have. If anyone has spent time in a fox body, they will know how easy snap-oversteer occurs. However, it's not something that easily occurs in the Camaro - even with the bushings (in my experience, anyway). __________________ 2023 1LE 1SS BCD GCF JF5 MN6 SIA SLN UQT 10/13/22: 1100 Past Camaros: 13 1LE\|02 SS\|01 Z28\|00 SS\|91 1LE\|91 Z28\|89 IROC-Z

07-03-2012, 11:21 AM	#7
xXSilencerXx Butter Bar! Drives: 2011 SS, 1998 Trans Am Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Patrick AFB, FL Posts: 1,364	I'm running poly bushings, with my LCA's on the lowest setting. I run the car hard and Auto-X it regularly. I have no issues with getting loose in the corners. That said I don't like the poly bushings and will be swapping to Adjustable LCA's with roto joints in the future. The poly does bind, make a lot of noise, and is rougher than needed. I was just a noob when I bought them 3 years ago and was lead to believe they were the best at the time... __________________ 2011 Camaro SS, White/Orange, LSR Short Throw, CAI 1998 Trans Am, Red, H/C/I, 3200 CircleD Stall, full suspension 2004 GSXR 1k, Matt Mladin Edition

07-03-2012, 02:57 PM	#8
ndtguy ^ Me. Things I write ~> Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Vegas Posts: 325	I know Fox body oversteer all to well. I didn't have snap-oversteer with the TA, but I don't recall pushing it anywhere near as hard as I do with this SS (unless of course you count the turbo spooling up hard in the middle of the apex, that increases the pucker factor quickly). I got the link off of LS1tech in a thread where the guy was having a lot of issues with snap-oversteer. I re-read the article and he added a 3rd gen (22mm?) rear bar on his car without upgrading the front bar (30mm) on his 4th gen. He also had poly bushings everywhere in his setup, so who knows? He was told to put the 19mm bar back on. If he still had issues, the next step was to get rid of the poly. __________________ ndtguy New DD: 2010 Camaro SS L99/A6 - bone stock. Gone but not forgotten... - 2001 Camaro SS m6 - SLP lid, free ram-air mod, poly sway bar bushings/end links, BMR springs and bilsteins. - 1998 Trans Am m6, forged 347, T70;alky-water injection; intercooled, 208/230 .549/.579 121LSA, Moser 12 bolt, 561rwhp/611rwtq.