[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Thebeezwax

back in the 60's and 70's the line up was z28 and then the SS was above that, had better suspension, more power, brakes, etc...

WHAT IF... they go back to that... make the current SS the new z28 with 440-450hp, Make the SS the track version (now the 1LE) with just a bit more power and keep the ZL1 at the top of the food chain.

Makes about as much sense as all of you thinking that GM will put more HP in the Camaro than the Vet.... it's ridiculous!! No Camaro has ever had more hp on paper than the Vet(stock for stock, entry level)... it just doesn't make sense to do that... that would take Vets credibility away as being the big man on campus.... it just doesn't make sense y'all.

We shall see though in 24 days

The Z/28 was never about pure power. You can't compare it to the SS. Just because GM slapped the badge on cars doesn't mean they were built for the same goals. Look at how many cars got the SS badge yet no one here is saying we should make the base turbo 4 the SS.


The Corvette will always be the premier Chevy sports car. Even if the Camaro has slightly more power, it will be slower. The Corvette will always have a substantial weight advantage.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Lol that's funny.

But if I were a betting man I'd say it will have 5 hp less than the Vette. 450 standard and 455 with dual mode exhaust. Just based off typical gm in the past. This is a situation where I would love to be wrong.

BUT.... the tri-y headers and gms direction with the camaro lately (doing their own thing example z28) has me holding some slight hope for 460 hp plus.

Take a look at the Z/28. It got the LS7 with the tri y headers and matched the Z06 in power but exceeded it in torque by 11 lb ft. There would be no reason for GM to put tri y headers on the Camaro and not see any power gain. It would be a waste.

[Thebeezwax]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

[yoda voice] Hungry for some crow you are

lol

[newb]

I think people are also forgetting we are talking about the '16 Camaro and the '15 Corvette. There is absolutely no reason the Corvette can't get a power bump for '16 making room for the Camaro. That's assuming the Camaro team still has "orders" to stay below the Corvette hp figures.

Regardless, as stated by me and several others, you don't waste time and money researching header designs to not make more power than you already have with cast manifolds. Not good fiscal sense.

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by newb

Regardless, as stated by me and several others, you don't waste time and money researching header designs to not make more power than you already have with cast manifolds. Not good fiscal sense.

Not necessarily.

A tubular exhaust manifold may be lighter than a cast-iron one, and would help with the overall weight reducing goals.
They may also have had to alter the standard LT1 manifolds in order to fit within the confines of the new engine compartment such as routing around the steering shaft, the frame, etc.

the fact that a tubular manifold will improve flow contributing to better efficiency is of course part of the overall equation to improve mileage any way they can and an added bonus.

[Clearly_Canadian]

Originally Posted by newb

I think people are also forgetting we are talking about the '16 Camaro and the '15 Corvette. There is absolutely no reason the Corvette can't get a power bump for '16 making room for the Camaro. That's assuming the Camaro team still has "orders" to stay below the Corvette hp figures.

Regardless, as stated by me and several others, you don't waste time and money researching header designs to not make more power than you already have with cast manifolds. Not good fiscal sense.

This is what I am trying to say here!!!!!! 2016 corvette will go to 490-500 and 2016 camaro will see 470 with 480 with performance options.

[Bigtime53]

Have any of you seen the new cadi commercial that has been airing? It has been in my area anyway. They are showing the engine with twin turbo's. It does not say what HP but I would think that would carry over into the camaro as it did with the ZL1. Does anyone know what the HP is on the new cadi?

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Bigtime53

Have any of you seen the new cadi commercial that has been airing? It has been in my area anyway. They are showing the engine with twin turbo's. It does not say what HP but I would think that would carry over into the camaro as it did with the ZL1. Does anyone know what the HP is on the new cadi?

Depends on the car. The ATS-V has 464 and I don't think it will carry over to the Camaro.. It's very similar in output to the LT1.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Bigtime53

Have any of you seen the new cadi commercial that has been airing? It has been in my area anyway. They are showing the engine with twin turbo's. It does not say what HP but I would think that would carry over into the camaro as it did with the ZL1. Does anyone know what the HP is on the new cadi?

If you can't name the car in the commercial, its hard to say how much power it makes. But whatver it is, its not a ultra high powered engine like the LSA V8 was from the CTS-V, there simply isn't a turbocharged engine in GMs lineup (either now or in the near future) making more than 464 hp.

There is the LF3 in the XTS-Vsport and CTS-Vsport making about 420 hp. Soon the ATS-V will have a higher output version of that same engine (dubbed LF4) making 464 hp. The upcoming CT6 will have a 3.0L making about 400 hp, but that engine is likely to remain a Cadillac exclusive.

But the chances of any of those engines being used in a 6th gen are pretty low. They don't really do anything better than the LT1, so I can't see GM offering one on the Camaro.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Bigtime53

Have any of you seen the new cadi commercial that has been airing? It has been in my area anyway. They are showing the engine with twin turbo's. It does not say what HP but I would think that would carry over into the camaro as it did with the ZL1. Does anyone know what the HP is on the new cadi?

You are thinking of the LGW 3.0L twin turbo. Here's the info:
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400708

[Jeffro19]

It looks like the 2016 vette is not getting an increase in power so I'm still gonna call 450-455hp for the camaro

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by 2010SS6SPD

It looks like the 2016 vette is not getting an increase in power so I'm still gonna call 450-455hp for the camaro

is that based on a culture of protecting the Vette?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the whole "protect the vette" culture is ....outa here, 6amaro will at least match vette LT1 / LT4 numbers.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

is that based on a culture of protecting the Vette?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the whole "protect the vette" culture is ....outa here, 6amaro will at least match vette LT1 / LT4 numbers.

Yes I am saying they will not go over the hp ratings of the vette. I hope your right that they do and change what they have being doing all along, protecting the corvette.

[Bigtime53]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You are thinking of the LGW 3.0L twin turbo. Here's the info:
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400708

Yes that is it. Thank you