[mt3130]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

While the retro thing is cool along with history, I think its a good thing Dodge think outside the box with this name. I mean, can we get new thing instead of always bringing old names/model/code back?!!

Hellcat is a monster, the name is perfect! This car is going the be an iconic car. Value is gonna stay sky-high too. The value is incredible.

I'm all in for a 650hp ZL1, but price has to be right (same or less than Hellcat).

I agree. At some point in the past, those historic nameplates that everyone wants brought back had no history associated them. It's time to take a chance on a nameplate that will broaden the buyer base, as it has for the Challenger.

I find it ironic that Ford and GM understand that appeasing only the enthusiasts on forums like this won't keep a nameplate alive, yet they insist on naming the trims as they did in the past.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by The Tinkerer

Well there you go!

When you think about it, its not too different from how the Z28 or ZL1 got their name. GM had some internal nonsense name, and it ended up being 'the' name for those cars. But ultimately, the name has no real significance relative to the car. If things were slightly different, there might have been a road course ready Z/29 Camaro or a ZK2 Camaro with an incredibly powerful engine. And in that slightly altered timeline, there might even be a Wildcat or Corsair Challenger & Charger.

[396ssrat]

Chevy doesn't set the bar with horsepower.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Its part of Chrysler's code-naming system for engines. The general rule is that they pick an old warplane name (in this case, the F6F Hellcat fighter) as the placeholder while an engine is under development. For some reason or another, the name stuck with the supercharged hemis and thus, we now have a Hellcat Charger & Hellcat Challenger.

That's actually pretty awesome

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Its part of Chrysler's code-naming system for engines. The general rule is that they pick an old warplane name (in this case, the F6F Hellcat fighter) as the placeholder while an engine is under development. For some reason or another, the name stuck with the supercharged hemis and thus, we now have a Hellcat Charger & Hellcat Challenger.

Funny enough it has some of the qualities of it's namesake. The F6F was built to counter the Zero. It was much more powerful but could not turn as fast as the Zero. One could say the same for the Hellcat vs. ZL1.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Its part of Chrysler's code-naming system for engines. The general rule is that they pick an old warplane name (in this case, the F6F Hellcat fighter) as the placeholder while an engine is under development. For some reason or another, the name stuck with the supercharged hemis and thus, we now have a Hellcat Charger & Hellcat Challenger.

Thanks that's just what I wanted to know.

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by Trans damm

so if dodge is at 707 and people are betting on the GT500 to peak 700 why are so many people so happy with 650 and so hell bent on GM NOT delivering the power to compete. Do people like being underdogs? worried about MSRP? I really dont get it. People keep getting flamed for suggusting GM keep up with the pack. Alot has changed since the introduction of the 5th gen. There is fierce competition now. Dont expect Camaro sales to keep climbing if they stop delivering. Im a GM guy, im rooting for the Camaro but im very tempted now.

It's now a fierce competition based on 4 months of sales?? Let's not push the panic button yet. It took Ford 3 body styles, a refresh, and a nice GT350 buzz to get there. It has taken Dodge to build a 700 HP Challenger to get in the conversation. GM hasn't stopped delivering

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

It's now a fierce competition based on 4 months of sales?? Let's not push the panic button yet. It took Ford 3 body styles, a refresh, and a nice GT350 buzz to get there. It has taken Dodge to build a 700 HP Challenger to get in the conversation. GM hasn't stopped delivering

Kidding right? The mustang sales have stayed strong even with a long body style run. The gt500 has always sold well and been fast. The gt350 is a whole different animal that Chevy will need to worry about. Dodges number have slowly been on the upswing the the newer models have really made a strong push in sales. I'd rather Chevy be proactive than reactive.

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Kidding right? The mustang sales have stayed strong even with a long body style run. The gt500 has always sold well and been fast. The gt350 is a whole different animal that Chevy will need to worry about. Dodges number have slowly been on the upswing the the newer models have really made a strong push in sales. I'd rather Chevy be proactive than reactive.

I'm not kidding. From 2009-2014 the Camaro outsold both Mustang and Challenger..

[DanSS24]

To me...all car companies are reactive. Dodge is doing okay now in sales, mostly due to what SRT has done to the Challenger and Charger. Ford was always doing okay in sales period. For a time, Camaro was in the lead when the 5gen came out. So really...Camaro 5th gen has set the bar high enough to where Ford and Dodge had to react. Now Camaro 6th gen, I feel, will set the bar up again and maybe even higher.

[v8]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

I have faith.
The fatt catt is an easy benchmark/target.

Depends on which benchmark, on a track yes, but straight line, I wouldn't say easy, but I hope you are right.

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

Yep... I just don't see why a car that has destroyed its competitors from 2009-2014, would change their entire direction.,

I wouldn't say destroyed, that's a strong word and I think it would mean the Camaro has beat the competition in every category which it has not. The Camaro is a great car, but it hasn't destroyed the competition. If it truly did then there should be no competition anymore.

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

How do you top a Hellcat? How about a Helldog!

I love that pic, but I have to say thats a 700HP plus pic:cool pics:

Originally Posted by Trans damm

so if dodge is at 707 and people are betting on the GT500 to peak 700 why are so many people so happy with 650 and so hell bent on GM NOT delivering the power to compete. Do people like being underdogs? worried about MSRP? I really dont get it. People keep getting flamed for suggusting GM keep up with the pack. Alot has changed since the introduction of the 5th gen. There is fierce competition now. Dont expect Camaro sales to keep climbing if they stop delivering. Im a GM guy, im rooting for the Camaro but im very tempted now.

I agree 100%

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Chevy doesn't set the bar with horsepower.

Unfortunately the rest of the world takes this into equation and a lot of buyers use this figures.

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

It's not that.. I wouldn't turn down a 700 HP Camaro, but it's not the direction of the company. I want the Camaro to stick around. So GM needs to stay where they are successful..

Exactly so they also need to listen to the consumer. Give us more HP We lost the Camaro once, I don't want to loose it again.

[hotlap]

This Al Oppenheiser quote from June 2015 Hot Rod is little out of context but still fits this conversation. Chevy has defined performance differently and is why I don't see Dodge as a competitor. It's Chevy vs Ford and the next GT500 is going to bring it all. That's why I predict for gen6 a very capable 1LE with LT1, Z/28 with LT4 and ZL1 TBD.

Interesting also to hear that they are looking at incorporating electric motors into performance cars in the future.

HRM: ...is this a performance bubble or will we see performance cars continue to improve over the next few years?

AO: Let's see. You've heard Mark Reuss say many times that Chevrolet has the most capable performance lineup we've ever had at Chevrolet. The things we do on Z/28 and ZL1 with magnetic ride and DSSV dampers. The Corvette has so much technology. We're going to incorporate much more of that to comply with future fuel economy. We're going to always be able to do performance, it's just how you define performance and the tools you have to do that. It may change to more technology-based down the road. Hey, look at it realistically, electric motors provide instant torque. That's pretty cool.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

This Al Oppenheiser quote from June 2015 Hot Rod is little out of context but still fits this conversation. Chevy has defined performance differently and is why I don't see Dodge as a competitor. It's Chevy vs Ford and the next GT500 is going to bring it all. That's why I predict for gen6 a very capable 1LE with LT1, Z/28 with LT4 and ZL1 TBD.

Interesting also to hear that they are looking at incorporating electric motors into performance cars in the future.

Exactly. The Europeans are already showing us what can be done when you couple a efficient and powerful engine with powerful electric motor assist. Imagine a 500hp LT1 coupled with a pair of 200hp electric assist motors. Lower emissions and better fuel economy than a current Chevy Cruze. Like some are saying now, electric assist might save the performance engines/cars. But I would imagine this is still a few years away from the Camaro.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Exactly. The Europeans are already showing us what can be done when you couple a efficient and powerful engine with powerful electric motor assist. Imagine a 500hp LT1 coupled with a pair of 200hp electric assist motors. Lower emissions and better fuel economy than a current Chevy Cruze. Like some are saying now, electric assist might save the performance engines/cars. But I would imagine this is still a few years away from the Camaro.

not to mention insane launches