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Unreal · 07-22-2016, 06:14 PM

Compound, sidewall, suspension setup.

Just like my mustang was cutting 1.62-1.63 60's on a near stock mustang on a 255 tire while camaros making 100+ on a larger tire couldn't touch that. Suspension, axle geometry, etc etc all effect traction. So many people just look at width. A 225 drag radial will walk all over a 345 street tire. Just pointing out that width is just a small part of the equation of hooking up, and blown majorly out of proportion.

L99CAMA2011 · 07-24-2016, 01:49 PM

C63 can be compared to some cammed Camaro SS cars.

Freddy G · 07-24-2016, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

Compound, sidewall, suspension setup.

Just like my mustang was cutting 1.62-1.63 60's on a near stock mustang on a 255 tire while camaros making 100+ on a larger tire couldn't touch that. Suspension, axle geometry, etc etc all effect traction. So many people just look at width. A 225 drag radial will walk all over a 345 street tire. Just pointing out that width is just a small part of the equation of hooking up, and blown majorly out of proportion.

You have to compare a street tire to a street tire. Of course DR will hook better than Street tire. Thats apple to orange. Please dont tell me 225 Cup2 hooks better than 345 cup2. If so, pls school me.

trademaster · 07-24-2016, 11:23 PM

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Lol, not really. Look at the size of OEM c63 tires and tell me.

Well, "400hp and change" doesn't exactly describe 451+ hp (some packages offer 481 hp) and the car weighs only a bit more than a 5th gen SS depending on options & configuration. They trap in the high-teens up to 120 stock and can definitely run low 12s with a good driver.

Freddy G · 07-25-2016, 08:29 AM

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Well, "400hp and change" doesn't exactly describe 451+ hp (some packages offer 481 hp) and the car weighs only a bit more than a 5th gen SS depending on options & configuration. They trap in the high-teens up to 120 stock and can definitely run low 12s with a good driver.

Yeahyeah, with a "Good driver". Same as a bolt on L99. Seen low 12s- high 11s with a "Good driver".
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Unreal · 07-25-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Freddy G

You have to compare a street tire to a street tire. Of course DR will hook better than Street tire. Thats apple to orange. Please dont tell me 225 Cup2 hooks better than 345 cup2. If so, pls school me.

It can, depending on the car and setup. A solid axle properly dampening car on a 225 can easily out hook at a 345 IRS car setup for road racing.

ytown87 · 07-25-2016, 02:11 PM

Seen plenty of them (c63) at the track. Even with not great drivers they are mid 12s. Low 12s and high 11s all day. Would need that Camaro to be an Auto and on some good tires in order to hang with. Money on the c63 if drivers are both decent

L99CAMA2011 · 07-25-2016, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

It can, depending on the car and setup. A solid axle properly dampening car on a 225 can easily out hook at a 345 IRS car setup for road racing.

I had both setups. Kind of disagree but I see your point. Also some think that the widest Tire provides better drag times. Wider Tires provide more drag as well so the deal is to run a Tire narrow that provides sufficient grip and control. There is a reason drag racers run skinnies up front.

Unreal · 07-25-2016, 09:22 PM

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I had both setups. Kind of disagree but I see your point. Also some think that the widest Tire provides better drag times. Wider Tires provide more drag as well so the deal is to run a Tire narrow that provides sufficient grip and control. There is a reason drag racers run skinnies up front.

Its easy to over tire a car too. You are the fastest on the narrowest tire that hooks. There are low 7 second cars on 275s.

L99CAMA2011 · 07-26-2016, 08:54 PM

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Its easy to over tire a car too. You are the fastest on the narrowest tire that hooks. There are low 7 second cars on 275s.

still depends though. Look at the rear Tires on a top fuel dragster.

2010reddevil · 07-27-2016, 10:26 AM

Top fuel are also limited on tire size as well. They all run the same size. It makes sense though, run the smallest tire that hooks good. Less rotating mass and less rolling resistance to boot.

swiftkart · 07-27-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Freddy G

Yeahyeah, with a "Good driver". Same as a bolt on L99. Seen low 12s- high 11s with a "Good driver".
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...light=fastlist

Not even close, the fast list you are referring to the L99 have every bolt on they can think of to run those time, headers, CAI, DR, slicks, converters, Tune, gears and I'm sure weight reductions, etc...and good air times, a simple bolt on L99 with street tires will not out run a c63 with street tires, the c63 here run low 12's to high 11's same day same track while bolt on L99 run high 12's and the thing is, the c63 can do it on street tires due to their launch control system.

L99CAMA2011 · 07-27-2016, 02:25 PM

In the C63s favor they have very light wheels, not so for the Camaro ss.

Iron Lung Jimmy · 07-27-2016, 08:04 PM

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still depends though. Look at the rear Tires on a top fuel dragster.

Top fuel dragsters make somewhere around 8,000-10,000 HP... so, relatively speaking, they have small tires.

07-22-2016, 06:14 PM	#15
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Compound, sidewall, suspension setup. Just like my mustang was cutting 1.62-1.63 60's on a near stock mustang on a 255 tire while camaros making 100+ on a larger tire couldn't touch that. Suspension, axle geometry, etc etc all effect traction. So many people just look at width. A 225 drag radial will walk all over a 345 street tire. Just pointing out that width is just a small part of the equation of hooking up, and blown majorly out of proportion. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

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ytown87 Drives: C6 Corvette Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,264	Seen plenty of them (c63) at the track. Even with not great drivers they are mid 12s. Low 12s and high 11s all day. Would need that Camaro to be an Auto and on some good tires in order to hang with. Money on the c63 if drivers are both decent __________________ 2008 C6 m6. Carbon creations front/rear carbon fiber wodebody fenders. Carbon fiber hood carbon fiber roof hoop carbon fiber zr1 extreme spoiler. NW 102mm tb. Ported intake manifold. Cometic .040 head gaskets. LG motorsports G6x3 cam. DSX flex fuel sensor. AEM methanol kit. Z06 brakes. Ebiach sway bars. ZR1 rep wheels and Nitto Invo tires. Monster stage 3 twin disc clutch. MGW short shifter. Corbeau race seats. Gforce race harnesses. SLP loudmouth 2 mufflers. Carbon fiber exhaust tips. RPM stage 4 transmission and Stage 3 rear diff. 3.73 gears. Vararam cai. Kooks 1 7/8 headers and x-pipe.

07-27-2016, 10:26 AM	#25
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	Top fuel are also limited on tire size as well. They all run the same size. It makes sense though, run the smallest tire that hooks good. Less rotating mass and less rolling resistance to boot. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.

07-24-2016, 01:49 PM	#16
L99CAMA2011 Drives: One of the baddest handling Gen 5s Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Masachusetts Posts: 4,177	C63 can be compared to some cammed Camaro SS cars.

07-27-2016, 02:25 PM	#27
L99CAMA2011 Drives: One of the baddest handling Gen 5s Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Masachusetts Posts: 4,177	In the C63s favor they have very light wheels, not so for the Camaro ss.